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[lou_fine]

Okajima camp books have been on fire for quite a while. Coded camp books don't come up for sale very often. Looks like 2 people wanted any example real bad. I remember when the collection surfaced. I saw 50-75 to choose from. I stupidly only bought 3...

 

What is the approximate time period that we are talking about with regards to the Okajima camp books portion of the collection?

[MrBedrock]

 

HA had it as FN/VF (Overstreet value $142).

Comp sale would be the Church copy which has changed hands twice since 2013 for an average of about $850.

 

Last nights hammer for the Okajima? $896.

 

I was thinking $400-500... way off.

 

 

Am I missing something here as this appears to be an absolutely astronomical price to to be paying for a mid-grade mid-run non-key book with a long forgotten GA lead character?

 

I could see the Church copy going for that kind of money since it should be high grade as Chuck had it listed as a NM+ in his Mile High catalogue.

 

Actually, the Overstreet value for a F/VF is only $107 since the VF pricing for issue #33 is set at the $142 price. Maybe somebody should tell Heritage.

Mid grade clown cover Okajima camp books routinely go for 8-9X guide.

[miraclemet]

 

Do we know how many camp books there might be? There are 44 in your list, which I realize is not meant to be complete.

 

Total pedigree is estimated at 1000-1200 spread from 43' to 55.

 

the yet to be released Pedigree book shows about 70 identified from '44, 10 from '43 and '15 from 45.

 

If we use "2I" as the consistent starting point of the code there are 35 gaps in the code that mean there is at least 1 comics from that purchase date (upping our total to 79). But she occasionally bought two, or even three books, so the number could be over 100 total. That would cover the core time of the consistent "camp coding" which ran from Feb '44 to September '44.

 

Before the Feb 44 books coding is spotty, and irregular, and there are very few books from pre 2/1944. After September of '44 again coding become varied (sometimes a purchase date, sometimes a signature, sometimes a code).

 

Again, all conjecture.

 

I'll do a better, more awake comparison between the pedigree book list (which is largely from Alan's list and some other sources) and my list and see if there are any other gaps I can fill.

[miraclemet]

Okajima camp books have been on fire for quite a while. Coded camp books don't come up for sale very often. Looks like 2 people wanted any example real bad. I remember when the collection surfaced. I saw 50-75 to choose from. I stupidly only bought 3...

 

What is the approximate time period that we are talking about with regards to the Okajima camp books portion of the collection?

 

See my above post. We're looking at the '44 books with the marking similar to the Crack Comics book I posted.

[Straw-Man]

 

HA had it as FN/VF (Overstreet value $142).

Comp sale would be the Church copy which has changed hands twice since 2013 for an average of about $850.

 

Last nights hammer for the Okajima? $896.

 

I was thinking $400-500... way off.

 

 

Am I missing something here as this appears to be an absolutely astronomical price to to be paying for a mid-grade mid-run non-key book with a long forgotten GA lead character?

 

I could see the Church copy going for that kind of money since it should be high grade as Chuck had it listed as a NM+ in his Mile High catalogue.

 

Actually, the Overstreet value for a F/VF is only $107 since the VF pricing for issue #33 is set at the $142 price. Maybe somebody should tell Heritage.

Mid grade clown cover Okajima camp books routinely go for 8-9X guide.

 

heeeheeeeeheeeeeeee

[Straw-Man]

Are you still updating the list in the first post? Looks like this one is not on that list.

 

I cant edit the original post (its what 2-3 years old now?)

 

Here's my current list of camp era Okajimas

 

Startling Comics #24 "Okajima" (no code)

Captain Marvel Adventures #28 "Okajima"

Captain Midnight #13 "Okajmia" (no code)

Captain Marvel #31 ("1-26-43") "1H", "Okajima"

Catman #21 "Okajima"

Catman #22 "Okajima 1D"

Human Torch #14 (1-1-?) "1F" or "1J" or "1Y" (most likely)

Sensation #28 "2-19-44 Okajima 2I"

Catman #22 "2-22-44 Okajima 2j"

Air Fighters Comics V2 #7 (2/22/44) "2j"

Crack Comics #33 (2/22/44) "2M"

Black Terror #6 (3/11/44) "2q"

Zip Comics 46 (3/18/44) "2R"

Police Comics #30 (3/18/44) "2R"

Marvel Mystery Comics #55 (3/18/44) "2R"

Prize Comics "3-27-44" "Okajima" "2"

Super Magician v3#1 (3/29/44) "2T"

Captain Aero Comics #15 (V3 #13) (3/29/44) "2T"

Boy Comics #16 (4/1/44) "2u"

Police Comics #31 (4/8/44) "2x"

Fightin' Yank #8 (4/8/44) "2x"

Flash Comics #54 (4/11/44) "2xz (you can see she used the code over, and then corrected it to "z"

Captain Marvel Jr. 19 (4/15/44) "3A"

Captain America Comics 39 (4/20/44) "3D"

Master Comics 51 (4/25/44) "3H"

Jungle Comics 54 (4/29/ 44) "3J"

Shadow Comics V4 #3 (5/6/44) "3m"

Captain America Comics 40 (5/9/44) "3o"

Captain Marvel Jr. 20 (5/16/44) "3q"

Startling Comics #28 (5/23/44) "3R" 

Marvel Mystery Comics 57 (5/24/44) "3R"

Captain Midnight #21(5/24/44) "3R"

Action #74 (5/24/44) "3S"

More Fun Comics 98 (5/29/44) "3T"

Fight Comics #33 (5/29/44) "3T"

Military Comics #31 (5/30/44) "3u"

Ace #88 (5-30-44) "3u"

Rangers Comics #18 (6/3/44) "3w"

Sensation #32 (6-1?-44) "??"

Captain America Comics #41 (6/23/44) "3z"

Mystery Comics 2 (8/9/44) "4o"

Captain Marvel Jr #23 (8-21-44) "4u"

Military Comics #34 (no date) "4xv" no okjajima -script

Shadow Comics v4#7 (9-??-44) "4√" faded okajima -script top left

 

torch 15 needs to be in there.

[sacentaur]

Mid grade clown cover Okajima camp books routinely go for 8-9X guide.

 

The appropriately named "crack" comics.

 

One has to wonder what the camp folk thought of Colonel Fishama...

[buttock]

I own an early Headline that's camp coded. I'll see if I can dig it out.

[Robot Man]

Alan was one of the purchasers. I believe there were 3 total. Was one of them Ron Murray? That is who I bought mine from. I wonder who the other purchaser was?

[miraclemet]

Alan was one of the purchasers. I believe there were 3 total. Was one of them Ron Murray? That is who I bought mine from. I wonder who the other purchaser was?

 

I dont think Alan was actually one of the purchasers (he's on here and can correct me if Im mistaken)

 

There were three purchasers (or it's assumed that way), one of the three wasnt a GA collector and soon contacted Alan Barr and sold his part of the purchase to Alan. Alan ended up with 358 comics. So assuming the original purchaser didnt sell any other books before the deal with Alan then we're looking at a collection of between 1000 and 1200 books.

 

I dont know if Alan has ever mentioned the seller whom he bought the collection from by name.

 

There are some big chunks of the collection that have never surfaced, so it makes me think that at least one of the other two buyers might be sitting on the collection privately.

 

Also I think the '44 Okajimas are so recognizable, many of them are staying raw because their pedigree is not in need of validation since the markings are so obvious, another reason they never surface.

[miraclemet]

I own an early Headline that's camp coded. I'll see if I can dig it out.

 

That'd be great! It is not on ANY lists currently (it wasnt part of Barr's purchase, nor is it on the pedigree list)

 

 

[miraclemet]

torch 15 needs to be in there.

 

Anyone have pictures with the camp info?

 

I see the record of it selling on Clink back in 2014.

[Straw-Man]

torch 15 needs to be in there.

 

Anyone have pictures with the camp info?

 

I see the record of it selling on Clink back in 2014.

 

it's mine!

 

[Sqeggs]

torch 15 needs to be in there.

 

Anyone have pictures with the camp info?

 

I see the record of it selling on Clink back in 2014.

 

it's mine!

 

 

Whoa! Nice one.

[lou_fine]

the yet to be released Pedigree book shows about 70 identified from '44, 10 from '43 and '15 from 45.

 

 

One major correct in your post from above:

 

 

the never to be released Pedigree book shows about 70 identified from '44, 10 from '43 and '15 from 45.

 

Unfortunately, the Pedigree book that everybody has been waiting for will never see the light of day.

 

[miraclemet]

the yet to be released Pedigree book shows about 70 identified from '44, 10 from '43 and '15 from 45.

 

 

One major correct in your post from above:

 

 

the never to be released Pedigree book shows about 70 identified from '44, 10 from '43 and '15 from 45.

 

Unfortunately, the Pedigree book that everybody has been waiting for will never see the light of day.

 

well then I dont feel bad about occasionally leaking info from the Okajima chapter!

[miraclemet]

torch 15 needs to be in there.

 

Anyone have pictures with the camp info?

 

I see the record of it selling on Clink back in 2014.

 

it's mine!

 

 

Awesome! DC and Timely books are under-represented in the known Okajima census, you have a great book

[G.A.tor]

the yet to be released Pedigree book shows about 70 identified from '44, 10 from '43 and '15 from 45.

 

 

One major correct in your post from above:

 

 

the never to be released Pedigree book shows about 70 identified from '44, 10 from '43 and '15 from 45.

 

Unfortunately, the Pedigree book that everybody has been waiting for will never see the light of day.

it would appear that with the powers that be all going their separate way, that might very well be a true statement

[Sqeggs]

the yet to be released Pedigree book shows about 70 identified from '44, 10 from '43 and '15 from 45.

 

 

One major correct in your post from above:

 

 

the never to be released Pedigree book shows about 70 identified from '44, 10 from '43 and '15 from 45.

 

Unfortunately, the Pedigree book that everybody has been waiting for will never see the light of day.

it would appear that with the powers that be all going their separate way, that might very well be a true statement

 

Too bad that they don't pass on the info they collected to someone who has the time to finish up the research and write up the results.

[miraclemet]

Updated list of Camp Era Books

 

Startling Comics #24 "Okajima" (no code)

Captain Marvel Adventures #28 "Okajima"

Captain Midnight #13 "Okajmia" (no code)

Captain Marvel #31 ("1-26-43") "1H", "Okajima"

Catman #21 "Okajima"

Catman #22 "Okajima 1D"

Human Torch #14 (1-1-?) "1F" or "1J" or "1Y" (most likely)

Sensation #28 "2-19-44 Okajima 2I"

Catman #22 "2-22-44 Okajima 2j"

Air Fighters Comics V2 #7 (2/22/44) "2j"

Super Magician v2n12 (2-24-44) "2K"

Crack Comics #33 (2/22/44) "2M"

Black Terror #6 (3/11/44) "2q"

Zip Comics 46 (3/18/44) "2R"

Police Comics #30 (3/18/44) "2R"

Marvel Mystery Comics #55 (3/18/44) "2R"

Prize Comics "3-27-44" "Okajima" "2"

Super Magician v3#1 (3/29/44) "2T"

Captain Aero Comics #15 (V3 #13) (3/29/44) "2T"

Boy Comics #16 (4/1/44) "2u"

Police Comics #31 (4/8/44) "2x"

Fightin' Yank #8 (4/8/44) "2x"

Flash Comics #54 (4/11/44) "2xz (you can see she used the code over, and then corrected it to "z"

Captain Marvel Jr. 19 (4/15/44) "3A"

Thrilling Comics (4/15/44) "3A"

Human Torch #15 (4/15/44) "3A"

Captain America Comics 39 (4/20/44) "3D"

Tip Top #96 (4/22/44) "3F"

Target V5#3 (4/3/44) 3G

Master Comics 51 (4/25/44) "3H"

Super Magician v3n2 (4/27/44) "3?"

Shadow Comics V4 #3 (5/6/44) "3m"

Captain America Comics 40 (5/9/44) "3o"

Captain Marvel Jr. 20 (5/16/44) "3q"

Startling Comics #28 (5/23/44) "3R" 

Marvel Mystery Comics 57 (5/24/44) "3R"

Captain Midnight #21(5/24/44) "3R"

Action #74 (5/24/44) "3S"

More Fun Comics 98 (5/29/44) "3T"

Fight Comics #33 (5/29/44) "3T"

Military Comics #31 (5/30/44) "3u"

Ace #88 (5-30-44) "3u"

Rangers Comics #18 (6/3/44) "3w"

Sensation #32 (6-1?-44) "??"

Wow #27 (6-15-44) "3x"

Captain America Comics #41 (6/23/44) "3z"

Target V5#4 (6/30/44) "4B"

Jungle Comics 54 (4/29/ 44) "3J"

Mystery Comics 2 (8/9/44) "4o"

Captain Marvel Jr #23 (8-21-44) "4u"

Military Comics #34 (no date) "4xv" no okjajima -script

Shadow Comics v4#7 (9-??-44) "4√" faded okajima -script top left

Sensation #35 "Okajima 4y"

Captain Midnight #13 "Okajima" on cover only

 

54 in all.