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[Skhambati]

I was actually on an African Safari where Internet was sporadic at best.

[Junkdrawer]

I was actually on an African Safari where Internet was sporadic at best.

Big game hunter?

[jimjum12]

I was actually on an African Safari where Internet was sporadic at best.

Big game hunter?

 

..... my Brother in Law used to tell my sister before the annual week long Hunting Trip at Thanksgiving that he was after Dear and Bare.....Dear Faces and Bare Arses...... oh, how she hated that GOD BLESS...

 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus) (thumbs u

[Gotham Kid]

I've been to Kruger National Park. Cool experience.

[VintageComics]

Why is MF 73 worth a ton of money? Because when you make a list of the top Golden Age characters, both Aquaman and Green Arrow are on that list. Added together, they're right there with Flash, Green Lantern, and Wonder Woman. The tier right behind Action 1 and Tech 27. And as a bonus, it's on the rare side.

 

Cover art....I'm still working on figuring that out. Everyone has their tastes. But if you go by character ranking, MF 73 is right up there.

 

I think a large part of it was that Aquaman was overlooked (as other characters are) and the movie helped people 'remind' themselves of how important he actually was.

 

What I think 'should' logically happen is that keys should shuffle into a hierarchy based on importance or popularity (maybe with a dash of rarity factored in) but these current MF #73 prices make you wonder what a book like Cap #1 should be worth if the 1st Aquaman (no offense, but Aquaman? ) is worth so much.

 

As for the recent price jumps like with Tec #31, they just defy logic to me at this point. They're super cool books but I remember when 10 years ago pre Robin Tec books didn't fly off the shelf. They sat.

 

Having said that, I wish I had one.

[VintageComics]

I agree with many of your points. However a restored book should not "look" like an un - restored book once it had been slabbed. We cannot inspect these things ourselves once they're entombed and it should be readily apparent (no pun intended) when a book that is slabbed has been restored. It should be easy and obvious to see even the most novice of collector. It is clear that that is not the goal of CBCS's labeling system.

 

CBCS is 15 years late to the comic grading and slabbing game. And they want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to kow-tow to the restored comic book collector and seller by making his book look like an un-restored book in their slabs. Yet they also want to cash in on the established blue label universal grade colour identifying system that CGC has used for a decade and half.

 

I'm not saying they are being "deceptive", but I do think their system has a stink to it. Not the same kind of stink as PGX. But a fairly pungent reek in its own right. Needless to say, you can count me in the camp that would never buy one of their slabs.

 

-J.

 

I think you're looking for something nefarious when there isn't anything.

 

When Borock worked for CGC years ago he was already in favor of a blue label for all books (meaning restored and unrestored) and many board members (me included) agreed with the idea. I went on to be accused of having an agenda, of trying to sell restored books as unrestored, etc. All sorts of venom thrown my way even though my business model rarely includes (or included) restored books.

 

My own opinion is similar to that of bluchip's - the purple label created a much larger negative reaction for restored books than anyone expected and an all blue label forces people to think about what they are buying and what they will pay for it, rather than just create a pavlovian response of 'yes' or 'no'.

 

 

[RICKYBOBBY]

What do y'all think this will go for?

 

http://www.comicconnect.com/bookDetail.php?id=605836

[Skhambati]

No just vacation. I really don't like to kill anything. As far as aquaman do you think we will see price bump and aquaman 1, showcase 30 and adventure comics 260?

[Skhambati]

What about price bumps on aquaman 1, showcase 30 and adventure comics 260?

[ciorac]

Why is MF 73 worth a ton of money? Because when you make a list of the top Golden Age characters, both Aquaman and Green Arrow are on that list. Added together, they're right there with Flash, Green Lantern, and Wonder Woman. The tier right behind Action 1 and Tech 27. And as a bonus, it's on the rare side.

 

Cover art....I'm still working on figuring that out. Everyone has their tastes. But if you go by character ranking, MF 73 is right up there.

 

I think a large part of it was that Aquaman was overlooked (as other characters are) and the movie helped people 'remind' themselves of how important he actually was.

 

What I think 'should' logically happen is that keys should shuffle into a hierarchy based on importance or popularity (maybe with a dash of rarity factored in) but these current MF #73 prices make you wonder what a book like Cap #1 should be worth if the 1st Aquaman (no offense, but Aquaman? ) is worth so much.

 

As for the recent price jumps like with Tec #31, they just defy logic to me at this point. They're super cool books but I remember when 10 years ago pre Robin Tec books didn't fly off the shelf. They sat.

 

Having said that, I wish I had one.

 

I've said, countless times, that as the bluechip keys continue to escalate out of reach, financially, for 90+% of comic collectors, there has to be renewed interest in the next tiers down. We are seeing it now. Books that were cold when you could buy a Batman 1 for the price of a Camry, are now heating up since Batman 1 is now a Bentley in price

[Dark Knight]

What do y'all think this will go for?

 

http://www.comicconnect.com/bookDetail.php?id=605836

 

A lot! I thought it was the same copy that just auctioned off Looks similar

[GBartholomew]

I will guess some sensibility comes to fruition(finally) on the MF 73 and say it hits around 68K. Im probably way off!!

[VintageComics]

What do y'all think this will go for?

 

http://www.comicconnect.com/bookDetail.php?id=605836

 

A lot! I thought it was the same copy that just auctioned off Looks similar

 

It's a freshly slabbed copy.

[Dr Carl]

I agree with many of your points. However a restored book should not "look" like an un - restored book once it had been slabbed. We cannot inspect these things ourselves once they're entombed and it should be readily apparent (no pun intended) when a book that is slabbed has been restored. It should be easy and obvious to see even the most novice of collector. It is clear that that is not the goal of CBCS's labeling system.

 

CBCS is 15 years late to the comic grading and slabbing game. And they want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to kow-tow to the restored comic book collector and seller by making his book look like an un-restored book in their slabs. Yet they also want to cash in on the established blue label universal grade colour identifying system that CGC has used for a decade and half.

 

I'm not saying they are being "deceptive", but I do think their system has a stink to it. Not the same kind of stink as PGX. But a fairly pungent reek in its own right. Needless to say, you can count me in the camp that would never buy one of their slabs.

 

-J.

 

I think you're looking for something nefarious when there isn't anything.

 

When Borock worked for CGC years ago he was already in favor of a blue label for all books (meaning restored and unrestored) and many board members (me included) agreed with the idea. I went on to be accused of having an agenda, of trying to sell restored books as unrestored, etc. All sorts of venom thrown my way even though my business model rarely includes (or included) restored books.

 

My own opinion is similar to that of bluchip's - the purple label created a much larger negative reaction for restored books than anyone expected and an all blue label forces people to think about what they are buying and what they will pay for it, rather than just create a pavlovian response of 'yes' or 'no'.

 

 

+1 Very well said, Roy.

[Jaydogrules]

I agree with many of your points. However a restored book should not "look" like an un - restored book once it had been slabbed. We cannot inspect these things ourselves once they're entombed and it should be readily apparent (no pun intended) when a book that is slabbed has been restored. It should be easy and obvious to see even the most novice of collector. It is clear that that is not the goal of CBCS's labeling system.

 

CBCS is 15 years late to the comic grading and slabbing game. And they want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to kow-tow to the restored comic book collector and seller by making his book look like an un-restored book in their slabs. Yet they also want to cash in on the established blue label universal grade colour identifying system that CGC has used for a decade and half.

 

I'm not saying they are being "deceptive", but I do think their system has a stink to it. Not the same kind of stink as PGX. But a fairly pungent reek in its own right. Needless to say, you can count me in the camp that would never buy one of their slabs.

 

-J.

 

I think you're looking for something nefarious when there isn't anything.

 

When Borock worked for CGC years ago he was already in favor of a blue label for all books (meaning restored and unrestored) and many board members (me included) agreed with the idea. I went on to be accused of having an agenda, of trying to sell restored books as unrestored, etc. All sorts of venom thrown my way even though my business model rarely includes (or included) restored books.

 

My own opinion is similar to that of bluchip's - the purple label created a much larger negative reaction for restored books than anyone expected and an all blue label forces people to think about what they are buying and what they will pay for it, rather than just create a pavlovian response of 'yes' or 'no'.

 

 

I think they should have created their own unique labeling system and done whatever the heck they wanted, instead of deliberately parroting what CGC has already been doing for 15 years, and then diluting and confusing matters. Their intentions may not be "nefarious" but they are certainly calculated. My 2 cents.

 

-J.

 

 

[Cat-Man_America]

 

+1 Very well said, Roy.

 

+2

 

This is a perspective I share as well & have written about ad nauseam.

 

I agree with many of your points. However a restored book should not "look" like an un - restored book once it had been slabbed. We cannot inspect these things ourselves once they're entombed and it should be readily apparent (no pun intended) when a book that is slabbed has been restored. It should be easy and obvious to see even the most novice of collector. It is clear that that is not the goal of CBCS's labeling system.

 

CBCS is 15 years late to the comic grading and slabbing game. And they want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to kow-tow to the restored comic book collector and seller by making his book look like an un-restored book in their slabs. Yet they also want to cash in on the established blue label universal grade colour identifying system that CGC has used for a decade and half.

 

I'm not saying they are being "deceptive", but I do think their system has a stink to it. Not the same kind of stink as PGX. But a fairly pungent reek in its own right. Needless to say, you can count me in the camp that would never buy one of their slabs.

 

-J.

 

I think you're looking for something nefarious when there isn't anything.

 

When Borock worked for CGC years ago he was already in favor of a blue label for all books (meaning restored and unrestored) and many board members (me included) agreed with the idea. I went on to be accused of having an agenda, of trying to sell restored books as unrestored, etc. All sorts of venom thrown my way even though my business model rarely includes (or included) restored books.

 

My own opinion is similar to that of bluchip's - the purple label created a much larger negative reaction for restored books than anyone expected and an all blue label forces people to think about what they are buying and what they will pay for it, rather than just create a pavlovian response of 'yes' or 'no'.

 

 

I think they should have created their own unique labeling system and done whatever the heck they wanted, instead of deliberately parroting what CGC has already been doing for 15 years, and then diluting and confusing matters. Their intentions may not be "nefarious" but they are certainly calculated. My 2 cents.

 

-J.

 

 

I respectfully disagree with your overall assessment. Calculated, yes, as are all competitive businesses, but to suggest that either company is "parroting" the other is a cage liner too far.

 

As I see it, CGC & CBCS labels are substantially different, including the use of different encapsulation materials. In fact, each company's signature series labels have different color coding and unique services (one provides true signature authentication; the other provides staged events & a witness).

 

Are there similarities between the two companies? Sure, but using the analogy of a hamster instead of a parrot, why should any viable competitor be expected to reinvent the wheel.

 

PS: Sorry if I ruffled any feathers.

[nearmint]

I think they should have created their own unique labeling system and done whatever the heck they wanted, instead of deliberately parroting what CGC has already been doing for 15 years, and then diluting and confusing matters.

 

I'm not confused.

[Jaydogrules]

 

+1 Very well said, Roy.

 

+2

 

This is a perspective I share as well & have written about ad nauseam.

 

I agree with many of your points. However a restored book should not "look" like an un - restored book once it had been slabbed. We cannot inspect these things ourselves once they're entombed and it should be readily apparent (no pun intended) when a book that is slabbed has been restored. It should be easy and obvious to see even the most novice of collector. It is clear that that is not the goal of CBCS's labeling system.

 

CBCS is 15 years late to the comic grading and slabbing game. And they want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to kow-tow to the restored comic book collector and seller by making his book look like an un-restored book in their slabs. Yet they also want to cash in on the established blue label universal grade colour identifying system that CGC has used for a decade and half.

 

I'm not saying they are being "deceptive", but I do think their system has a stink to it. Not the same kind of stink as PGX. But a fairly pungent reek in its own right. Needless to say, you can count me in the camp that would never buy one of their slabs.

 

-J.

 

I think you're looking for something nefarious when there isn't anything.

 

When Borock worked for CGC years ago he was already in favor of a blue label for all books (meaning restored and unrestored) and many board members (me included) agreed with the idea. I went on to be accused of having an agenda, of trying to sell restored books as unrestored, etc. All sorts of venom thrown my way even though my business model rarely includes (or included) restored books.

 

My own opinion is similar to that of bluchip's - the purple label created a much larger negative reaction for restored books than anyone expected and an all blue label forces people to think about what they are buying and what they will pay for it, rather than just create a pavlovian response of 'yes' or 'no'.

 

 

I think they should have created their own unique labeling system and done whatever the heck they wanted, instead of deliberately parroting what CGC has already been doing for 15 years, and then diluting and confusing matters. Their intentions may not be "nefarious" but they are certainly calculated. My 2 cents.

 

-J.

 

 

I respectfully disagree with your overall assessment. Calculated, yes, as are all competitive businesses, but to suggest that either company is "parroting" the other is a cage liner too far.

 

As I see it, CGC & CBCS labels are substantially different, including the use of different encapsulation materials. In fact, each company's signature series labels have different color coding and unique services (one provides true signature authentication; the other provides staged events & a witness).

 

Are there similarities between the two companies? Sure, but using the analogy of a hamster instead of a parrot, why should any viable competitor be expected to reinvent the wheel.

 

PS: Sorry if I ruffled any feathers.

 

That's actually another symptom of the overall problem: a different label colour to make it easy for people to know when they have "verified" an un-verified and un-witnessed/ dead person's signature scrawled on the front cover....? "yes".

 

A different label colour to make it easy for people to know when the book they are looking at has been restored...? "eh, why bother? That might hurt our dealer submissions."

 

Giving the impression that it is somehow more important for a prospective buyer of one of their slabs to know at first sight that this stain on the cover that says "Stan Lee '76" is the real deal, but that same buyer better be sure to look twice at a blue label, to make sure he hasn't missed any restoration notes buried in the fine print.

 

This company's one and only obvious purpose is to attract submissions from dealers/large sellers. That was their game plan from the beginning. To entice them to submit their books to them early on with a labeling and policy system that was lax and forgiving so as not to "stigmatize" certain books, and de-sensitize buyers to the critical differences of those books, so they could get as many of their slabs on the market as fast as possible. These are quite clearly not the policies and practices of a company that is concerned with the buyers of their slabs on the secondary market. To the contrary, this is about making themselves and the sellers of these altered books as much money as possible, and nudging shoppers back to a "buyer beware" mentality when they take a quick glance at one of these deceptively blue labels.

 

No thank you.

 

-J.

 

 

 

 

[jjeanius]

 

+1 Very well said, Roy.

 

+2

 

This is a perspective I share as well & have written about ad nauseam.

 

I agree with many of your points. However a restored book should not "look" like an un - restored book once it had been slabbed. We cannot inspect these things ourselves once they're entombed and it should be readily apparent (no pun intended) when a book that is slabbed has been restored. It should be easy and obvious to see even the most novice of collector. It is clear that that is not the goal of CBCS's labeling system.

 

CBCS is 15 years late to the comic grading and slabbing game. And they want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to kow-tow to the restored comic book collector and seller by making his book look like an un-restored book in their slabs. Yet they also want to cash in on the established blue label universal grade colour identifying system that CGC has used for a decade and half.

 

I'm not saying they are being "deceptive", but I do think their system has a stink to it. Not the same kind of stink as PGX. But a fairly pungent reek in its own right. Needless to say, you can count me in the camp that would never buy one of their slabs.

 

-J.

 

I think you're looking for something nefarious when there isn't anything.

 

When Borock worked for CGC years ago he was already in favor of a blue label for all books (meaning restored and unrestored) and many board members (me included) agreed with the idea. I went on to be accused of having an agenda, of trying to sell restored books as unrestored, etc. All sorts of venom thrown my way even though my business model rarely includes (or included) restored books.

 

My own opinion is similar to that of bluchip's - the purple label created a much larger negative reaction for restored books than anyone expected and an all blue label forces people to think about what they are buying and what they will pay for it, rather than just create a pavlovian response of 'yes' or 'no'.

 

 

I think they should have created their own unique labeling system and done whatever the heck they wanted, instead of deliberately parroting what CGC has already been doing for 15 years, and then diluting and confusing matters. Their intentions may not be "nefarious" but they are certainly calculated. My 2 cents.

 

-J.

 

 

I respectfully disagree with your overall assessment. Calculated, yes, as are all competitive businesses, but to suggest that either company is "parroting" the other is a cage liner too far.

 

As I see it, CGC & CBCS labels are substantially different, including the use of different encapsulation materials. In fact, each company's signature series labels have different color coding and unique services (one provides true signature authentication; the other provides staged events & a witness).

 

Are there similarities between the two companies? Sure, but using the analogy of a hamster instead of a parrot, why should any viable competitor be expected to reinvent the wheel.

 

PS: Sorry if I ruffled any feathers.

 

That's actually another symptom of the overall problem: a different label colour to make it easy for people to know when they have "verified" an un-verified and un-witnessed/ dead person's signature scrawled on the front cover....? "yes".

 

A different label colour to make it easy for people to know when the book they are looking at has been restored...? "eh, why bother? That might hurt our dealer submissions."

 

Giving the impression that it is somehow more important for a prospective buyer of one of their slabs to know at first sight that this stain on the cover that says "Stan Lee '76" is the real deal, but that same buyer better be sure to look twice at a blue label, to make sure he hasn't missed any restoration notes buried in the fine print.

 

This company's one and only obvious purpose is to attract submissions from dealers/large sellers. That was their game plan from the beginning. To entice them to submit their books to them early on with a labeling and policy system that was lax and forgiving so as not to "stigmatize" certain books, and de-sensitize buyers to the critical differences of those books, so they could get as many of their slabs on the market as fast as possible. These are quite clearly not the policies and practices of a company that is concerned with the buyers of their slabs on the secondary market. To the contrary, this is about making themselves and the sellers of these altered books as much money as possible, and nudging shoppers back to a "buyer beware" mentality when they take a quick glance at one of these deceptively blue labels.

 

No thank you.

 

-J.

 

 

 

 

You can READ, right...? I honestly don't understand why it's such a big deal to expect someone to read a label when spending hundreds if not thousands of dollars.

 

It just seems incredibly lazy to me to say that you have time to identify the color of a label, but you can't be bothered to read a few sentences of text on the label. Do you do the same with CGC blue labels (ignore any text printed on the label that might further detail the condition specifics of the book)?

[Jaydogrules]

 

+1 Very well said, Roy.

 

+2

 

This is a perspective I share as well & have written about ad nauseam.

 

I agree with many of your points. However a restored book should not "look" like an un - restored book once it had been slabbed. We cannot inspect these things ourselves once they're entombed and it should be readily apparent (no pun intended) when a book that is slabbed has been restored. It should be easy and obvious to see even the most novice of collector. It is clear that that is not the goal of CBCS's labeling system.

 

CBCS is 15 years late to the comic grading and slabbing game. And they want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to kow-tow to the restored comic book collector and seller by making his book look like an un-restored book in their slabs. Yet they also want to cash in on the established blue label universal grade colour identifying system that CGC has used for a decade and half.

 

I'm not saying they are being "deceptive", but I do think their system has a stink to it. Not the same kind of stink as PGX. But a fairly pungent reek in its own right. Needless to say, you can count me in the camp that would never buy one of their slabs.

 

-J.

 

I think you're looking for something nefarious when there isn't anything.

 

When Borock worked for CGC years ago he was already in favor of a blue label for all books (meaning restored and unrestored) and many board members (me included) agreed with the idea. I went on to be accused of having an agenda, of trying to sell restored books as unrestored, etc. All sorts of venom thrown my way even though my business model rarely includes (or included) restored books.

 

My own opinion is similar to that of bluchip's - the purple label created a much larger negative reaction for restored books than anyone expected and an all blue label forces people to think about what they are buying and what they will pay for it, rather than just create a pavlovian response of 'yes' or 'no'.

 

 

I think they should have created their own unique labeling system and done whatever the heck they wanted, instead of deliberately parroting what CGC has already been doing for 15 years, and then diluting and confusing matters. Their intentions may not be "nefarious" but they are certainly calculated. My 2 cents.

 

-J.

 

 

I respectfully disagree with your overall assessment. Calculated, yes, as are all competitive businesses, but to suggest that either company is "parroting" the other is a cage liner too far.

 

As I see it, CGC & CBCS labels are substantially different, including the use of different encapsulation materials. In fact, each company's signature series labels have different color coding and unique services (one provides true signature authentication; the other provides staged events & a witness).

 

Are there similarities between the two companies? Sure, but using the analogy of a hamster instead of a parrot, why should any viable competitor be expected to reinvent the wheel.

 

PS: Sorry if I ruffled any feathers.

 

That's actually another symptom of the overall problem: a different label colour to make it easy for people to know when they have "verified" an un-verified and un-witnessed/ dead person's signature scrawled on the front cover....? "yes".

 

A different label colour to make it easy for people to know when the book they are looking at has been restored...? "eh, why bother? That might hurt our dealer submissions."

 

Giving the impression that it is somehow more important for a prospective buyer of one of their slabs to know at first sight that this stain on the cover that says "Stan Lee '76" is the real deal, but that same buyer better be sure to look twice at a blue label, to make sure he hasn't missed any restoration notes buried in the fine print.

 

This company's one and only obvious purpose is to attract submissions from dealers/large sellers. That was their game plan from the beginning. To entice them to submit their books to them early on with a labeling and policy system that was lax and forgiving so as not to "stigmatize" certain books, and de-sensitize buyers to the critical differences of those books, so they could get as many of their slabs on the market as fast as possible. These are quite clearly not the policies and practices of a company that is concerned with the buyers of their slabs on the secondary market. To the contrary, this is about making themselves and the sellers of these altered books as much money as possible, and nudging shoppers back to a "buyer beware" mentality when they take a quick glance at one of these deceptively blue labels.

 

No thank you.

 

-J.

 

 

 

 

You can READ, right...? I honestly don't understand why it's such a big deal to expect someone to read a label when spending hundreds if not thousands of dollars.

 

It just seems incredibly lazy to me to say that you have time to identify the color of a label, but you can't be bothered to read a few sentences of text on the label. Do you do the same with CGC blue labels (ignore any text printed on the label that might further detail the condition specifics of the book)?

 

Let me flip the question back around to you: why exactly do you have such a problem with a BUYER friendly colour coded labeling system that makes a restored book as easy to spot on sight as a book with an "un-witnessed" signature ?

 

-J.