Popular Post KirbyCollector Posted December 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2023 On 12/16/2023 at 8:47 AM, Rick2you2 said: Still and all, the mark-up is light. 1200 + prob another 100 in taxes/shipping gets you to 1300, for a markup of 550 or 42%. It's a little sad that we are so conditioned to seeing 60-70% markups that we think 42% is "light" now... Dr. Balls, JC25427N, marktom and 4 others 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vodou Posted December 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2023 On 12/16/2023 at 9:07 AM, KirbyCollector said: 1200 + prob another 100 in taxes/shipping gets you to 1300, for a markup of 550 or 42%. It's a little sad that we are so conditioned to seeing 60-70% markups that we think 42% is "light" now... A dealer markup of 50-100% is not new, in any corner of moving product from wholesale to retail. What is (relatively) new is the level of confidence that many dealers have to buy at the very top (from an open-to-all, well-advertised and very well attended auction) without even a pause in step to immediately relist at that notably higher "retail markup". Will any collector shed a tear for those that get caught wrong footed in the rising rate cashflow trap? Their argument would be that nobody sells at wholesale direct to them anymore, with the proliferation of venues and access to sell direct collector to collector. Well...that's how an efficient bull market works...can you still hear the cries of grey-haired "full service brokers" that miss the days of $200-$500 per transaction Street commissions and they would accept orders to buy and sell only in "round lots"? Change never benefits, nor causes pain, in just one direction. In our case, as collectors, dealers are now largely shameless in their business practices, particularly markups, because of the above paragraph...regardless of how their inventory was acquired (as the robbing of widows and orphans still occurs, not all inventory is acquired from the price efficient Heritage). We all tend to sell for more, but end up paying more too. And, of course, almost no dealers are full-time or even really dealers in the traditional sense. Certainly their overhead isn't nearly the same as art dealers of olde (pre-internet) that justified that 50-100% we all used to read about in the front matter of three decades of Over Street guides 😁 I think it's all great, at least there really aren't any true monopoly scenarios choking we collectors out. Dr. Balls, Will_K, cloud cloddie and 9 others 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry E. Gibbs Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 On 12/17/2023 at 12:47 AM, Rick2you2 said: And that’s what I get for not noticing the date. Still and all, the mark-up is light. Not really, with that part of the run content rules, and Reverse Flash is king of content. Good RF pages should be over $1K although occasionally on ebay come in lower. This sold back in 2021 for $2,640 !! A record for a Bronze Flash panel page at the time. Around the time of StarGirl TV series which featured the Shade. Also has Jay Garrick so another plus. Considering it has Jay the $1,200 on HA was a good price, Bechara is probably on the money. Plenty of these bronze Flash pages turn up but this has superior content. Other thing is the first part of the run 296- is in my mind better art. Towards the end the decision was made to cancel Barry Allen. I think around then that Carmine kind of lost interest. And obviously I spend way too much of my life invested in the life and times of Barry Allen. Rick2you2 and 1classics 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman_fan Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 Not a crazy increase in price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kryptic1 Posted December 28, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2023 Does it count as a flip if Anthony takes something off his own website and marks it up another 90% for Dueling Dealers? marktom, Sean I, Will_K and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman_fan Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 On 12/28/2023 at 7:17 AM, Kryptic1 said: Does it count as a flip if Anthony takes something off his own website and marks it up another 90% for Dueling Dealers? Only if it sells, then we all chip in for some decent mental help for whoever bought it. Twanj 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean I Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Couldn’t find the sale date on comicarttracker but archive.org showed this page still for sale in May ‘23 so less than 6 month flip attempt: Lee B., mister_not_so_nice and Twanj 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sean I Posted January 1 Popular Post Share Posted January 1 (edited) here’s someone celebrating their legitimately great charity eBay find in one Facebook group and attempting to flip in another a week later. Edited January 1 by Sean- Andahaion, cloud cloddie, Noob19 and 4 others 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JC25427N Posted January 4 Popular Post Share Posted January 4 On 12/13/2023 at 12:42 PM, Ecclectica said: Storm & Colossus - John Byrne convention sketch - 1979 Step 1 : Sold on eBay last August for 300$: Step 2 : Sold on CAF (and here in Original Comic Art Marketplace) last September, two weeks later. Offers were asked for the sketch. Note that dedication had been deleted in the meantime, probably to make the piece more desirable (as if it still needed it! ) Step 3 : Offered now on CAF (and on website) for 5295$ on Will's Comic Art Page: https://www.comicartpage.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=9642 Thanks to the precise pic, we can see now the dedication was not carefully erased between step 1 and step 2... (to make my thinking more precise : I do not endorse dedication removing, I'm criticizing here the fact it was badly done too. All the pieces I have in my collection have still the original dedication whenever previously existing : to my eyes, it's part of the history of the art piece, even for dedications to complete strangers to me) Step 4 : Heritage in 2024 or 2025? Or the piece has now run out of meat? Thoughts? (I don't have any opinion. Let the specialists talks!) Step 4: Timmay, brownies8701, cloud cloddie and 8 others 1 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Balls Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 On 1/3/2024 at 7:09 PM, JC25427N said: Step 4: The chat was eerily quiet during this presentation on DD. I'm curious: Was the original Ebay sale a great deal? Is the fact this is a vintage Bryne sketch what (theoretically) bumps the (perceived) value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_K Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 On 11/28/2023 at 1:11 PM, Will_K said: I don't mind the flipping / reselling. I object to "enhancing" the art with to turn it into something different for that purpose. Like being addicted to plastic surgery, keeps getting worse. Twanj, cloud cloddie, Lee B. and 4 others 2 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick2you2 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 On 1/4/2024 at 11:11 PM, Will_K said: Like being addicted to plastic surgery, keeps getting worse. At least this one is obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey7 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 So this Batman piece started as a "commission preliminary sketch" then sold & became an "unused pencil cover prelim" with new stat, and now is a "Batman 66 cover / design lost episode #1" with new stats replacing other stat and then put on a board? Ok then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbyCollector Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 On 1/4/2024 at 11:11 PM, Will_K said: Like being addicted to plastic surgery, keeps getting worse. How can they continue to stoop so low, everyone moans. They are frauds, everyone says. Yet the main comic art web site -- one we all use and some support as paid members -- allows them to advertise and spam search results with 20,000+ pieces whose prices bear no relation to reality. AND we continually allow these two to set up and sell at any art show they like. So by fully accepting them in the only OA showcase site and at shows (they will be at OAX) aren't we all complicit in their behavior? Terry E. Gibbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Balls Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) On 1/5/2024 at 7:45 AM, KirbyCollector said: How can they continue to stoop so low, everyone moans. They are frauds, everyone says. Yet the main comic art web site -- one we all use and some support as paid members -- allows them to advertise and spam search results with 20,000+ pieces whose prices bear no relation to reality. AND we continually allow these two to set up and sell at any art show they like. So by fully accepting them in the only OA showcase site and at shows (they will be at OAX) aren't we all complicit in their behavior? Normally (and I think I've stated as such), I am one of those "Let the Market sort out the weeds" kind of people - but on the other hand, you bring a good point. I'm pretty much a plebe compared to a lot of OA collectors, but even I know to steer clear of Coollines. Even with that, it's still a matter of opinion - and no one should be disavowed over opinions. However, the misrepresentations of art like this is troubling. There is "working the grey area" and then there is "total misrepresentation". Inaccurate sales tactics are commonplace, but man - there's got to be some sort of line that gets drawn somewhere over this. It's not a prelim, since the printed cover bears zero resemblance. It's a sketch. That's it. It's not a "Cover" as it's described. This is Garcia Lopez's finished cover: I have several pieces purchased from dealers who have said "I think it was published in a book somewhere at some time..." that falls into that grey area of opinion. I feel this is acceptable and avoidable if you don't want to take the risk. Blatantly saying it's something it's not and mocking-up after-the-fact (and not disclosing what it really is) is wrong and unethical. I can see @Bill C 's POV as a site owner not wanting to oversee every piece on CAF, or serve as the "art police" - but @KirbyCollector brings a good point: when do the people who can make the call start making the call against this sort of thing? This particular piece has crossed over from a dealer's "opinion" to "misrepresentation" - which, for me, feels like some sort of action - however minor - can be taken to discourage the behavior. Edited January 5 by Dr. Balls Added Garcia Lopez reference Twanj 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud cloddie Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 On 1/4/2024 at 8:11 PM, Will_K said: Like being addicted to plastic surgery, keeps getting worse. What always amazes me is that they don’t have to do this s***. I understand not everything they have ‘for sale’ is still in their inventory, but they still have A LOT. Plenty of which they got years ago at a fraction of the cost. Their pricing is one thing… they could just do double market instead of 3-8x and make money hand over fist, and still get new art in by their lopsided trade value. Their art, their prices - seems to work for them. But altering art… no reason for it. They’re choosing to be scumbags. Twanj and Dr. Balls 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benedict Judas Hel Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 On 1/5/2024 at 8:45 AM, KirbyCollector said: …aren't we all complicit in their behavior? cloud cloddie, Dr. Balls, Sean I and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtcheap31 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 I mean if they are posting this to CAF can’t people just comment and give feedback to what it is to keep things in check? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC25427N Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) On 1/5/2024 at 7:22 PM, Dirtcheap31 said: I mean if they are posting this to CAF can’t people just comment and give feedback to what it is to keep things in check? They're not posted to CAF exactly, any art posted on a Dealer website that CAF works with gets automatically listed to the Dealer Updates section. But the Dealer Updates aren't the same as regular CAF listings, you can't like or leave comments on them. https://www.comicartfans.com/ForSaleDetails.asp?ArtId=10226605 Edited January 6 by JC25427N Twanj 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Balls Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 On 1/5/2024 at 9:21 PM, Bill C said: You tagged the wrong Bill C-- Bill C--Bill Cox-- is the guy who's done the hobby a huge service via CAF. I'm the other Bill C (the one who can usually be found in a garbage can somewhere, reading silver age Flash comics). Oh jeez, sorry about that. I always thought this Bill C (you) was Bill Cox. Will_K and Bill C 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
