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(attempted) Flip of the Day!
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Rob Frey

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On 11/30/2023 at 10:49 AM, Kryptic1 said:

The published cover matches the art Dino sold.  It looks like the Heritage piece is the original and the other was created from stats to change the position of the rocket and the Huntress image and then some of the background was redrawn.

and that is why the price reflected that

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Hello everyone, Dino here (I just heard about this discussion a few minutes ago).  Anyway, I was NOT aware the art was stats.  I purchased on CAF Live from a collector James Bush earlier this year...I had 2 days to find 12 pieces under $2500 for the show and grabbed this cover out of a portfolio. Never examined the art after acquiring it but it didn't appear to be stated.  Thanks everyone for the background info on the piece.

Sale is ON HOLD until this is resolved.  If the originals were indeed sold at Heritage- I was NOT the buyer-- then I'll cancel the transaction, buyer has not paid yet.

The piece is packed up for shipment, so I'll open it and examine it.  Here's my scan for what its worth.  It was purchased with a faded/loose title stat so I made a reproduction title stat (Wonder Woman), all esle was as received. 

Dino

 

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On 11/30/2023 at 8:21 PM, vodou said:

Well yeah, that entire piece is Production Department Manufactured, I'm really surprised that's apparent to me from a very nice scan but wasn't "in hand"?

Thanks for the clarifying image and background Dino.

Much clarity can happen in hindsight. There was no malice intended here.

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Dr. Balls

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On 11/30/2023 at 5:26 AM, Will_K said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gjK8ixwSdY

Skip to 46 minutes into the show.

Nick was on that claim like white on rice in a glass of milk on a paper plate in a snowstorm.

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On 12/1/2023 at 2:27 PM, Dr. Balls said:

Nick was on that claim like white on rice in a glass of milk on a paper plate in a snowstorm.

Does anyone know if this artist was related to Eduardo Barreto? 
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On 12/3/2023 at 11:12 AM, comix4fun said:

Does anyone know if this artist was related to Eduardo Barreto? 
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The artist is Eduardo Barreto, the name is just misspelled in the banner

 

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Unless that was the joke and it went over my head :blush:

 

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comix4fun

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On 12/3/2023 at 1:31 PM, JC25427N said:

The artist is Eduardo Barreto, the name is just misspelled in the banner

 

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Unless that was the joke and it went over my head :blush:

 

It was.....but that's ok. I went extra subtle cuz it's Sunday. 
 

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Jack Kirby - The Demon #4 page 20 - Sold  by Nostalgic Investments for 2600$ on 04/04/2021 :

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Now back for sale in this belgium shop :

https://www.galeriebd.com/product/jack-kirby/the-demon/

... for 8000$ ! (more than a 3x price compared to Bechara, it's already swollen, but that's also the price they propose for a small Jason Blood's head...)

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Storm & Colossus - John Byrne convention sketch - 1979

Step 1 : Sold on eBay last August for 300$:

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Step 2 : Sold on CAF (and here in Original Comic Art Marketplace) last September, two weeks later.

Offers were asked for the sketch. Note that dedication had been deleted in the meantime, probably to make the piece more desirable (as if it still needed it! :shiftyeyes:)

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Step 3 : Offered now on CAF (and on website) for 5295$ on Will's Comic Art Page:

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https://www.comicartpage.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=9642

Thanks to the precise pic, we can see now the dedication was not carefully erased between step 1 and step 2...

(to make my thinking more precise : I do not endorse dedication removing, I'm criticizing here the fact it was badly done too. All the pieces I have in my collection have still the original dedication whenever previously existing : to my eyes, it's part of the history of the art piece, even for dedications to complete strangers to me)

 

Step 4 : Heritage in 2024 or 2025? Or the piece has now run out of meat? Thoughts? (I don't have any opinion. Let the specialists talks!)

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Dr. Balls

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Boy, that's a really damaging removal. It looks like white-out, which if it is, will be nice and yellow 20 years from now, if not half-flaked off. Yikes.

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Dr. Balls

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On 12/14/2023 at 10:43 AM, RBerman said:

I wouldn't remove a previous dedication either. I have to say, though, that this piece has already seen a rough life, and the added texture of the removal is not the most noticeable damage to the paper. Whoever bought it on eBay got quite a bargain. I wonder how much they flipped it for.

Poorly signed artwork and dedications are just like a kick in the nuts for me. I'm sure it doesn't bother other people, but for me - it's a composition-killing distraction. I've never understood why an artist signs right in the live area of the image when dedicating it to someone. By no means am I a "famous" artist, but I've signed a couple hundred prints to people in my lifetime and I don't think I've ever personalized on the image (only in the margin) - because I didn't want to ruin the visual flow of the artwork.

That being said, if I ever ended up with one I couldn't live with - I'd either mask it with something removable or just live with it. It's my understanding you can't take ink out of paper and have it not leave a residual darkening - which ends up being the same kind of distraction anyways. Every person who looks at that sketch will be like "Oh, Storm and Collos - - what's that white spot there?"

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On 12/14/2023 at 11:28 PM, KirbyCollector said:

This one hurts b/c I was the underbidder in September... from Bechara's update tonight

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Price wise, his margin, by dealer standards, isn’t that bad. Makes me wonder about the marketplace for Silver Age DC, because if Bechara could get away with a higher margin, he would. 

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On 12/15/2023 at 1:06 AM, Rick2you2 said:

Price wise, his margin, by dealer standards, isn’t that bad. Makes me wonder about the marketplace for Silver Age DC, because if Bechara could get away with a higher margin, he would. 

That’s the issue, it’s not SA and not considered peak era Infantino, though still nice, but this is the tail end of the Bronze Age and nearly into the copper age…

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On 12/15/2023 at 3:20 PM, 1classics said:

That’s the issue, it’s not SA and not considered peak era Infantino, though still nice, but this is the tail end of the Bronze Age and nearly into the copper age…

And that’s what I get for not noticing the date. Still and all, the mark-up is light.

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