drotto Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 On 12/19/2022 at 1:00 AM, D2 said: So, yes. I do agree with you, but I would introduce a side angle to the perspective. Rather than the MCU trekking down the path of biggerer and biggerer, like you describe, which is always a failed avenue, I think they are better to take a “Game of Thrones” approach. Keep the audience guessing. What I would think would really flip it on its head, is if the reason they stepped into the whole multiverse scenario in the first place, is so they can uproot the apple tree, annihilate all of entirety, to introduce The X-Men through a ‘Days of Future Past’ / ‘Age of Apocalypse’ World. To your point, that’s comics’ biggest flaw, nothing matters. So keep them guessing. In movies though, things should matter, because these actors have a 20 year shelf life, max. They should play that to their advantage. I think the largest reason they are doing the multiverse is because on the surface it is the least complicated way to integrate the Fox properties. This way they do not have to truly reboot X-Men, and FF. They do not have to disavow those movies, because this allows them to be canonical. It also allows them to avoid doing an origin film, because it has already been done. But, as stated before, that approach has its own issues. Really, I think Phase 4 and Phase 5 are basically treading water, till FF and X-Men can be incorporated without having to deal with any outstanding contracts or legal complications left over from old Fox deals. That is the main reason we have not seen them yet. The inconvenient fact is most of the characters introduced recently have never even been widely popular in the comics. Yes, I know many of the characters the MCU was build on were B or C tier, but these have been D tier or lower. So if they fail to catch on, no real loss. If one does, it is an unexpected win. It is all just a waiting game until they can get some B and even A tier characters back. PopKulture, Dr. Balls and D2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted December 19, 2022 Author Share Posted December 19, 2022 On 12/19/2022 at 11:50 AM, drotto said: Really, I think Phase 4 and Phase 5 are basically treading water, till FF and X-Men can be incorporated without having to deal with any outstanding contracts or legal complications left over from old Fox deals. That is the main reason we have not seen them yet. The inconvenient fact is most of the characters introduced recently have never even been widely popular in the comics. Yes, I know many of the characters the MCU was build on were B or C tier, but these have been D tier or lower. So if they fail to catch on, no real loss. If one does, it is an unexpected win. It is all just a waiting game until they can get some B and even A tier characters back. I have enjoyed the Ant-Man movies. So I am hoping Ant-Man 3 as Avengers 6 (Civil War was Avengers 3) may get things back on track. But I could be wrong. I just hope I'm not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D84 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 On 12/19/2022 at 1:41 AM, kimik said: Based on the post-Covid box office success of the Spider-Man and to a lesser extent Venom franchises, maybe DIS should close the Marvel studios side of the shop and license everything to Sony instead for Phase 5....................... But Sony listens to the fans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D2 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 On 12/19/2022 at 11:50 AM, drotto said: I think the largest reason they are doing the multiverse is because on the surface it is the least complicated way to integrate the Fox properties. This way they do not have to truly reboot X-Men, and FF. They do not have to disavow those movies, because this allows them to be canonical. It also allows them to avoid doing an origin film, because it has already been done. But, as stated before, that approach has its own issues. Really, I think Phase 4 and Phase 5 are basically treading water, till FF and X-Men can be incorporated without having to deal with any outstanding contracts or legal complications left over from old Fox deals. That is the main reason we have not seen them yet. The inconvenient fact is most of the characters introduced recently have never even been widely popular in the comics. Yes, I know many of the characters the MCU was build on were B or C tier, but these have been D tier or lower. So if they fail to catch on, no real loss. If one does, it is an unexpected win. It is all just a waiting game until they can get some B and even A tier characters back. Yeah that makes most sense to me as well. I read, I'm sure by someone on here, that Fox contracts ran until 2025, so if there was any release or development until that time, they have to pay out all of the actors. Which, is in part why they can still bring back Patrick Steward, Hugh Jackman. I just wish they WOULD reboot it all. I liked my X-Men flicks, but First Class was a good show with how they can truly and successfully be rebooted. That being said, the fact that they are trying to skip over the origin stories is also a big win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted March 23, 2023 Author Share Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) Quote Still, the drumbeat that Something Is Rotten in the State of Marvel Studios only grew louder with the release of “Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania,” a film that finished shooting over a year before it was due in theaters and still weathered repeated criticism for “generic” visual effects that looked like “CGI glop” and were “very flat and cruddy-looking.” Even more critical: The movie has grossed $463 million globally to date, the worst performance of the “Ant-Man” franchise and a figure that means that it will struggle to break even in its theatrical window. That’s the wrong trajectory for a studio that Disney has come to rely upon as an unshakable box office cash machine, one whose films have grossed over $28 billion at the global box office, especially as Iger makes plain that he’s cutting costs across the company. Insiders say the five Disney+ series from Marvel Studios that had been scheduled to debut in 2023 have been narrowed to three or four, with the others moving into 2024 and possibly beyond. That will take some of the immediate pressure off of Marvel’s post-production pipeline. Edited March 23, 2023 by Bosco685 Larryw7 and bentbryan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post drotto Posted March 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 24, 2023 On 3/23/2023 at 5:03 PM, Bosco685 said: Would not be surprised if some of the annonced series disappeared forever. bentbryan, Beige, theCapraAegagrus and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rexinnih Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 Good to see. Hopefully a focus on quality over quantity but a business decision is most likely behind it. Larryw7, Bosco685 and The humble Watcher lurking 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@therealsilvermane Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 Probably going to be something like two Disney+ series and one or two Holiday Specials annually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drotto Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 On 3/24/2023 at 12:42 PM, @therealsilvermane said: Probably going to be something like two Disney+ series and one or two Holiday Specials annually. Ok, your right. They admit that the original reports made it sound like a deepfake, but the director is now saying she was filmed remotely live and inserted in the scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@therealsilvermane Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 On 3/24/2023 at 12:48 PM, drotto said: Ok, your right. They admit that the original reports made it sound like a deepfake, but the director is now saying she was filmed remotely live and inserted in the scene. Wrong thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@therealsilvermane Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 Not an official statement from Marvel. TupennyConan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TupennyConan Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 On 3/25/2023 at 12:52 PM, @therealsilvermane said: Not an official statement from Marvel. I really wanted to like the Eternals. I kept threatening to watch it on Disney+ have having seen in the theater. I would tell myself, maybe it deserves a second viewing? I never gave it one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drotto Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 This will help the MCU if true. https://www.tmz.com/2023/03/25/jonathan-majors-arrested-assault-woman-nyc-new-york/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D84 Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 On 3/25/2023 at 6:37 PM, drotto said: This will help the MCU if true. https://www.tmz.com/2023/03/25/jonathan-majors-arrested-assault-woman-nyc-new-york/ It didn't hurt Ezra Miller, and there was video of that . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted March 26, 2023 Author Share Posted March 26, 2023 On 3/25/2023 at 8:25 PM, D84 said: It didn't hurt Ezra Miller, and there was video of that . Ezra Miller was taken into police custody for physical assault? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D84 Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 On 3/25/2023 at 7:38 PM, Bosco685 said: Ezra Miller was taken into police custody for physical assault? https://variety.com/2022/film/news/ezra-miller-arrested-hawaii-1235236133/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axelrod Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 My very premature prediction: the charges will be dropped when the woman in question decides not to prosecute. That's just how these things go most of the time, even when there is no celebrity involved. I have to believe that the spotlight from Majors' celebrity would make the woman in question even more hesitant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 So DIS is going to rely on Star Wars for D+ content going forward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted March 26, 2023 Author Share Posted March 26, 2023 On 3/25/2023 at 8:45 PM, D84 said: https://variety.com/2022/film/news/ezra-miller-arrested-hawaii-1235236133/ Good Lord. So many stories tied to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGGIEZ Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 On 3/25/2023 at 7:08 PM, Bosco685 said: Good Lord. So many stories tied to him. Yep. And they keep him, but can Cavill for dating the “wrong person”… 🧐 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...