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[AGGIEZ]

On 1/21/2023 at 7:08 AM, Motor City Rob said:

Not the race card again.   Nick Fury has always been considered an uninteresting, boring character by the general comic book fan. Looking at CGC prices prior to his casting (and after) will tell you that skin color isn't the problem. If anything, casting a dynamic personality like Smauel L Jackson only helped make the character more interesting. 

Exactly on point…nothing to do with race. This book has always been undervalued and it has everything to do with the character, not who plays him on the big screen. 

FF52 used to be a cheap book…not any more. Is it only popular now because he’s a black dude? No, it’s an interesting character.

Quit playing the race card…it’s not as big of a deal as some make it out to be.

[DC#]

Here are Session 1A and 1B results for the January ComicLink Focused Auction.    Given the volume of books in Session 3 and 4....I will probably not do much of a recap.    If I do it will really be just a few highlights.  

Also note that GPA just updated to the 2022 average so there is not much of a spread between 12 mos and 2022 average.   I should have put 2021 average instead but was too far along before I really thought about it...will try to compare to 2021 average in the next auction or two.  

Enjoy the weekend.  

Edited January 21, 2023 by DC#

[ThothAmon]

On 1/19/2023 at 10:55 PM, Sweet Lou 14 said:

Can it really be because they cast Samuel L. Jackson in the MCU instead of a white dude?

Maybe in one of Marvel’s alternate universes? In this universe the posit is beyond ludicrous as he is the highest grossing box office actor of all time.

[GermanFan]

On 1/21/2023 at 5:20 PM, DC# said:

Here are Session 1A and 1B results for the January ComicLink Focused Auction.    Given the volume of books in Session 3 and 4....I will probably not do much of a recap.    If I do it will really be just a few highlights.  

Also note that GPA just updated to the 2022 average so there is not much of a spread between 12 mos and 2022 average.   I should have put 2021 average instead but was too far along before I really thought about it...will try to compare to 2021 average in the next auction or two.  

Enjoy the weekend.  

I like the colour red.

[Sweet Lou 14]

On 1/21/2023 at 11:25 AM, ThothAmon said:

Maybe in one of Marvel’s alternate universes? In this universe the posit is beyond ludicrous as he is the highest grossing box office actor of all time.

Wait, I'm not understanding what you're trying to say.

I'm just asking if people are less interested in classic comic-book Nick Fury because he doesn't resemble Samuel L. Jackson Nick Fury as featured in the Ultimates universe and the MCU.

[Sweet Lou 14]

On 1/21/2023 at 8:08 AM, Motor City Rob said:

Not the race card again.   Nick Fury has always been considered an uninteresting, boring character by the general comic book fan. Looking at CGC prices prior to his casting (and after) will tell you that skin color isn't the problem. If anything, casting a dynamic personality like Smauel L Jackson only helped make the character more interesting. 

There's no "race card" here, calm down please.

I asked a simple question based on the fact that MCU Nick Fury is clearly taken from the "Ultimates universe" version of the character.  Which means that maybe, maybe, some collectors feel like good ol' cigar-chomping Earth-616 Nick Fury is not the guy in the MCU.  It's a question worth considering since books like Strange Tales #135 and Nick Fury #1 underperform their comps in the market.

[Sweet Lou 14]

On 1/21/2023 at 1:05 AM, Microchip said:

The whole series has climbed strongly in value, sales of 9.8 copies of issues 4, and 5 can exceed #1 sometimes.   People love the series, there's no question there.   The series only comes second to Silver Surfer's first series, with issues 3, and 4 getting strong results for the right copies.

No one touches any of the issues for Submariner, or Ironman after issue 1.  

If you ranked the 68's by series collectibility, and desirability across the run, it probably looks like this,

1. Silver Surfer

2. Nick Fury

3.Captain America

4.Incredible Hulk

5. Doctor Strange

Also ran... Ironman, Sub-mariner.

Who know's what next.   Fury 1 does look cheap right now, there's a lot of room for appreciation.  Let's see what happens with the next movie .    Also the Sub-mariner series could see a reverse of fortunes, anything is possible these days. 

I agree overall with what you're saying, though I think you might be a little too harsh on Iron Man and Sub-Mariner.  While I agree that I'm probably one of the few collecting the entire run of these titles, there are several issues for each title that command high prices, Iron Man #55 being the most obvious example but not the only one.

[KCOComics]

On 1/21/2023 at 9:58 AM, MAR1979 said:

Great point. While issue 1 lags way behind IM1, Subby1, the Stersnko covers keep interest high on 2,3,4,5,7 .

Almost no one seeks IM3 or Subby 4 its 1st issue only.  Subby 8 of course is a  FF112ish situation

 

I won't speak to the value, but outside of SS, Nick Fury is my favorite of 68s for one reason. Sterenko's cover art. 

It was such a divergence from your typical art of the super hero era. It's kind of a throw back to 50s Sci Fi, but somehow new, fresh and psychedelic at the same time.  

I love SS as well, but the rest of 68s I never cared for. 

[Motor City Rob]

On 1/21/2023 at 12:47 PM, Sweet Lou 14 said:

There's no "race card" here, calm down please.

I asked a simple question based on the fact that MCU Nick Fury is clearly taken from the "Ultimates universe" version of the character.  Which means that maybe, maybe, some collectors feel like good ol' cigar-chomping Earth-616 Nick Fury is not the guy in the MCU.  It's a question worth considering since books like Strange Tales #135 and Nick Fury #1 underperform their comps in the market.

I think we're all calm here. You may be claiming not to be using the race card, but that's exactly what you did. You asked if the race of a movie cast character being different than the race of a comic book character is the reason the book is less valuable than others. The answer is no. The book doesn't do well because the character is not very interesting for most comic fans. And I think many would claim the movie casting made the character much more interesting than the comic book character. 

[Motor City Rob]

On 1/21/2023 at 11:14 AM, AGGIEZ said:

Exactly on point…nothing to do with race. This book has always been undervalued and it has everything to do with the character, not who plays him on the big screen. 

FF52 used to be a cheap book…not any more. Is it only popular now because he’s a black dude? No, it’s an interesting character.

Quit playing the race card…it’s not as big of a deal as some make it out to be.

💯 

[Motor City Rob]

On 1/21/2023 at 11:20 AM, DC# said:

Here are Session 1A and 1B results for the January ComicLink Focused Auction.    Given the volume of books in Session 3 and 4....I will probably not do much of a recap.    If I do it will really be just a few highlights.  

Also note that GPA just updated to the 2022 average so there is not much of a spread between 12 mos and 2022 average.   I should have put 2021 average instead but was too far along before I really thought about it...will try to compare to 2021 average in the next auction or two.  

Enjoy the weekend.  

vs Last Sale seems to be doing slightly better than vs 22 avg. January typically does better than Nov/Dec. Will be interesting to see if the improvement continues into February. 

[Stefan_W]

On 1/21/2023 at 11:03 PM, Motor City Rob said:

vs Last Sale seems to be doing slightly better than vs 22 avg. January typically does better than Nov/Dec. Will be interesting to see if the improvement continues into February. 

There will probably be improvement at Comic Link because Feb is one of their featured auctions. Outside of CL I would not be surprised to see things nose up slightly leading into spring, but I doubt there will be big changes overall since the economic conditions are not really pointing in the direction of extra disposable cash for people. 

[Sweet Lou 14]

On 1/21/2023 at 10:56 PM, Motor City Rob said:

I think we're all calm here. You may be claiming not to be using the race card, but that's exactly what you did. You asked if the race of a movie cast character being different than the race of a comic book character is the reason the book is less valuable than others. The answer is no. The book doesn't do well because the character is not very interesting for most comic fans. And I think many would claim the movie casting made the character much more interesting than the comic book character. 

You're deliberately twisting my words and refusing to understand the point of my post.  Whatever your agenda is, I'm not interested.

Edited January 22, 2023 by Sweet Lou 14

[southern cross]

Yeah, collectors are only interested in subby 1.

No one cares about subby books with first tiger shark second tiger shark or serpent crown or the telescope cover that's in black. Or subby vs thing or first defenders or any of that rubbish.

 

[VintageComics]

On 1/21/2023 at 11:15 PM, Sweet Lou 14 said:

On 1/21/2023 at 10:56 PM, Motor City Rob said:

I think we're all calm here. You may be claiming not to be using the race card, but that's exactly what you did. You asked if the race of a movie cast character being different than the race of a comic book character is the reason the book is less valuable than others. The answer is no. The book doesn't do well because the character is not very interesting for most comic fans. And I think many would claim the movie casting made the character much more interesting than the comic book character. 

You're deliberately twisting my words and refusing to understand the point of my post.  Whatever your agenda is, I'm not interested.

It's not the first time he's done it. In fact, it's a common tactic they use. 

Anybody reasonable and objective can see what you meant.

Anybody unreasonable and subjective can't. 

[musicmeta]

On 1/21/2023 at 8:37 PM, KCOComics said:

I won't speak to the value, but outside of SS, Nick Fury is my favorite of 68s for one reason. Sterenko's cover art. 

It was such a divergence from your typical art of the super hero era. It's kind of a throw back to 50s Sci Fi, but somehow new, fresh and psychedelic at the same time.  

I love SS as well, but the rest of 68s I never cared for. 

I feel the same.  I have the 18 issue run all in 9.4/9.6 (1-5 are in 9.6) .. I don't have the money to buy the 9.8's. 

[Kramerica]

On 1/21/2023 at 9:47 AM, Sweet Lou 14 said:

There's no "race card" here, calm down please.

I asked a simple question based on the fact that MCU Nick Fury is clearly taken from the "Ultimates universe" version of the character.  Which means that maybe, maybe, some collectors feel like good ol' cigar-chomping Earth-616 Nick Fury is not the guy in the MCU.  It's a question worth considering since books like Strange Tales #135 and Nick Fury #1 underperform their comps in the market.

Yeah, throw the race card bs out. It's irrelevant to this topic. They are comic book characters. This board has no place for baiting, trolling, wanking or hate speech. Arguing that black Nick Fury is just part of a "woke agenda" is laughable.

Mark Millar wrote Ultimates as a "blueprint" for a cinematic Avengers movie. He always had Samuel Jackson in his head for Nick Fury and asked Brian Hitch to draw him that way. It was pitch-perfect casting IMO as Sam is one of the greatest actors working now. I would have been fine with George Clooney as Nick Fury too.

Back to the topic of this thread. There are so many, many copies of Subby 1, Iron Man 1, Nick Fury 1, Dr 169, Hulk 102 out there. As more get graded the price is going to keep going down. I remember when I worked at a store we had over 50 NM copies of both Subby #1 and Iron Man #1. I highly doubt those have been destroyed. Nearly all of these are warehouse books too. Pre-1966 Marvel's will continue to climb IMO. 

This huge mass market boom was a confluence of several factors. In other words, the Perfect Storm. A lot of things would need to happen at the same time for his to happen again. The Govt giving everyone free money at the same time everyone has to remain home and Marvel Movies are the hottest thing on Earth and everyone is speculating? Not going to happen. A lot of stuff that happened continues to baffle me. But then again, people paying Uber Eats $30 to have a Big Mac Meal delivered to their home while they sit on their couch baffles me too. The internet and the various opportunities that it has spawned was the final nail in the coffin. The apocalypse is near.

Rant over 

[g-man]

Look at the ASM 9.8s on heritage tonight. Holy cow!

[Sweet Lou 14]

On 1/22/2023 at 5:14 PM, g-man said:

Look at the ASM 9.8s on heritage tonight. Holy cow!

But look away from the 9.6s so I can bid in peace.  

[Courageous Cat]

 

On 1/21/2023 at 11:15 PM, Sweet Lou 14 said:

You're deliberately twisting my words and refusing to understand the point of my post.  Whatever your agenda is, I'm not interested.

you asked a simple question and got steamrolled for it.  Doesn't surprise me one bit. Simple yes or no would have sufficed, but yet here we are