vodou Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Is it a Mod-Sin if we just Photoshop a huge "semi" in place of the "dolphin"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobrac Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Sold for $515 on eBay on July 9: https://www.ebay.com/itm/174824888623?hash=item28b460192f%3Ag%3Ag94AAOSwOUxg37EZ&nma=true&si=CTePp5FQry15Ny2ZPwIFKI7xFtc%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Now $3000 on CAF: https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1745225&GSub=217623 #noshame artdealer, Ecclectica, Twanj and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artdealer Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 11:13 AM, cloud cloddie said: Today in “dealers” “influencing” the market, we have an excalibur cover that sold on CLink 3/2/21 for $2988. https://www.comiclink.com/Auctions/item.asp?back=%2FComicTrack%2FAuctions%2Fbids.asp%3Freturning%3D1%26pg%3D2&id=1461760 Now available for $5500. https://www.comicartfans.com/ForSaleDetails.asp?ArtId=6735003 Semantics. It’s not “influencer”. It’s “manipulator”. Considering who is selling it, are you surprised at the price? cloud cloddie, Ecclectica and Twanj 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud cloddie Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 9:39 AM, lobrac said: Sold for $515 on eBay on July 9: https://www.ebay.com/itm/174824888623?hash=item28b460192f%3Ag%3Ag94AAOSwOUxg37EZ&nma=true&si=CTePp5FQry15Ny2ZPwIFKI7xFtc%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Now $3000 on CAF: https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1745225&GSub=217623 #noshame Another seller in the flipper hall of fame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artdealer Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 1:34 PM, cloud cloddie said: Another seller in the flipper hall of fame. Hall of SHAME. s.slayton and Twanj 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhamlau Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 11:13 AM, cloud cloddie said: Today in “dealers” “influencing” the market, we have an excalibur cover that sold on CLink 3/2/21 for $2988. https://www.comiclink.com/Auctions/item.asp?back=%2FComicTrack%2FAuctions%2Fbids.asp%3Freturning%3D1%26pg%3D2&id=1461760 Now available for $5500. https://www.comicartfans.com/ForSaleDetails.asp?ArtId=6735003 I bought that cover a few years ago for 300-400 and I think sold it for 600 in auction in CL. cloud cloddie, Twanj, Lee B. and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOStateSuperman Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Purchased from Essential Sequential for $800 on 7/22, now up for sale with a modest 450% markup: https://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1748271 Sean I, vodou, cloud cloddie and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 On 8/7/2021 at 10:12 AM, MOStateSuperman said: Purchased from Essential Sequential for $800 on 7/22, now up for sale with a modest 450% markup: https://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1748271 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artdealer Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 On 8/7/2021 at 10:12 AM, MOStateSuperman said: Purchased from Essential Sequential for $800 on 7/22, now up for sale with a modest 450% markup: https://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1748271 So, Basically a xerox copy with some magic marker for $3600? Um,....ok. vodou and Rick2you2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unstoppablejayd Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 On 8/7/2021 at 10:12 AM, MOStateSuperman said: Purchased from Essential Sequential for $800 on 7/22, now up for sale with a modest 450% markup: https://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1748271 Didn't they recently have a sale on Cullys work too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOStateSuperman Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 On 8/7/2021 at 10:14 AM, Unstoppablejayd said: Didn't they recently have a sale on Cullys work too? That was the sale price. It had been up for some time at the original price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awayne83 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Jim Lee pagehttps://www.comiclink.com/itemdetail.asp?back=%2Fsearch_adv_art.asp%3Fall%3Dy%26CATEGORIES%3D-1%26Artist1%3D%26Artist2%3D%26Title%3D%26ISSUE%3D%26PAGE%3D%26YEAR%3D%26PRICEF%3D%26PRICET%3D%26SORT%3DNEW%26_where_forsale%3Dy%26ExcludeSP%3Dy%26x%3D54%26y%3D12%26where_forsale%3Dy&id=1503851 Sold on Clink back in June for 2700. On Clink exchange now for 8500. cloud cloddie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Stripper Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 On 8/7/2021 at 10:49 AM, artdealer said: So, Basically a xerox copy with some magic marker for $3600? Um,....ok. How does the community feel about "original art" that is, in effect, a print (or proof) of digitally created art which may (or may not) be touched up, colored or otherwise revised by the artist? Phrased another way, is there any widely accepted definition of "original art" which applies to digitally created artwork? If there's another thread for this topic, sorry for the detour. I've read all of the NFT/digital art threads (as well as numerous other articles about NFTs), and, call me old school, but I'm not particularly interested in purchasing a digital file on a blockchain and thereby claiming to own a piece of "original art". The piece discussed above does not appear to include an NFT, but only the physical "art". Is a print (or, as described above, a "xerox copy") of digital art truly "original art"? Even if made by the artist? It doesn't feel like it. It feels more like a piece by those painters who will, for an additional fee, add a remarque, or add additional "brush strokes" to the image of their limited edition prints. The result may be "unique", but does it elevate a retouched print to original art (conceding that a hand-drawn remarque is indeed original art)? How does one know that the artist won't, somewhere down the road, print additional copies/images from their digital file (apparently not a primary concern if the art is sold in NFT format)? I ask since I recently purchased the "original art" for a published comic strip (from the artist) on eBay. I received what looked to be a b&w print of the art with some marker revisions/corrections. I contacted the artist and expressed my concerns with the piece. He replied that the art was created digitally, and that this was the original print which he had made from the digital file. He touched up the art with marker/pen, and submitted this print to the syndicate for publication. He created a second print of the art which he hand-colored, and submitted that to the syndicate as a color guide. None of this information was in the original listing. Expecting to have received a hand-rendered pen and ink drawing, and receiving a retouched print was, needless to say, somewhat disappointing. Since the cost was rather modest however, I ended up keeping the "art" and securing the hand-colored version (in for a penny...and since this felt it had more "original art" than the b&w version). What do I call this piece? It may be the original art for the published strip, but it doesn't feel like "original art" to me (except for the hand coloring). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_K Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 (edited) It's too bad about that strip art. The artist (above all people) should disclose their process. If forced to use the word "art", some people (being generous) will call it "(the) published art". The colored version would probably called "production art". Whatever the process that is used, if that is disclosed, the market will set the price. There was a pretty good discussion on 1 of 1 prints: https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/topic/441899-is-anyone-here-buying-into-monoprints/?tab=comments#comment-10434837 Edited August 12, 2021 by Will_K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick2you2 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 On 8/12/2021 at 3:22 PM, Captain Calamity said: How does the community feel about "original art" that is, in effect, a print (or proof) of digitally created art which may (or may not) be touched up, colored or otherwise revised by the artist? Phrased another way, is there any widely accepted definition of "original art" which applies to digitally created artwork? If there's another thread for this topic, sorry for the detour. I've read all of the NFT/digital art threads (as well as numerous other articles about NFTs), and, call me old school, but I'm not particularly interested in purchasing a digital file on a blockchain and thereby claiming to own a piece of "original art". The piece discussed above does not appear to include an NFT, but only the physical "art". Is a print (or, as described above, a "xerox copy") of digital art truly "original art"? Even if made by the artist? It doesn't feel like it. It feels more like a piece by those painters who will, for an additional fee, add a remarque, or add additional "brush strokes" to the image of their limited edition prints. The result may be "unique", but does it elevate a retouched print to original art (conceding that a hand-drawn remarque is indeed original art)? How does one know that the artist won't, somewhere down the road, print additional copies/images from their digital file (apparently not a primary concern if the art is sold in NFT format)? I ask since I recently purchased the "original art" for a published comic strip (from the artist) on eBay. I received what looked to be a b&w print of the art with some marker revisions/corrections. I contacted the artist and expressed my concerns with the piece. He replied that the art was created digitally, and that this was the original print which he had made from the digital file. He touched up the art with marker/pen, and submitted this print to the syndicate for publication. He created a second print of the art which he hand-colored, and submitted that to the syndicate as a color guide. None of this information was in the original listing. Expecting to have received a hand-rendered pen and ink drawing, and receiving a retouched print was, needless to say, somewhat disappointing. Since the cost was rather modest however, I ended up keeping the "art" and securing the hand-colored version (in for a penny...and since this felt it had more "original art" than the b&w version). What do I call this piece? It may be the original art for the published strip, but it doesn't feel like "original art" to me (except for the hand coloring). I can’t speak for others, but I would call it the commission of a fraud. The artist withheld material information regarding its content as most of it was done on a computer. The fact that it was the final version used in publication doesn’t change that. If he had disclosed its origins, I doubt you would have bought it, and he probably knew that when he listed it. All the elements for a fraud finding are therefore being met. Now, if you are asking what most collectors would consider it, responses would probably run in the direction of low end junk, to some who recognize that it may be the future for illustration art. Personally, I would pass without an original sketch being added, and only if it were priced only a little higher than a sketch. If I were in love with it, and it was a must have, I would treat it as a high end poster. Will_K and KCOComics 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Stripper Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 Gentlemen, thanks for the input. I chalked it up to a 'live and learn' experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panelfan1 Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 (edited) https://panelpageart.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1371. Now 18.5k 12k in June 2021 on HA. 1.5 months. Edited August 14, 2021 by Panelfan1 Lee B., exitmusicblue, MagnusX and 1 other 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapeape Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 (edited) On 8/14/2021 at 9:43 AM, Panelfan1 said: https://panelpageart.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1371. Now 18.5k 12k in June 2021 on HA. 1.5 months. Panelpage getting told on by panelfan😂 I had to do a frickin double take there......I thought you were telling on yourself Edited August 14, 2021 by grapeape Panelfan1, exitmusicblue and cloud cloddie 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vodou Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 On 8/14/2021 at 12:43 PM, Panelfan1 said: https://panelpageart.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1371. Now 18.5k 12k in June 2021 on HA. 1.5 months. This "dealer" must need the $$$, not even a double Twanj 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artdealer Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 On 8/14/2021 at 3:33 PM, vodou said: This "dealer" must need the $$$, not even a double It’s the end of the world!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...