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Are prices still climbing or have they eased up a bit???
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On 12/15/2022 at 10:02 AM, djpinkpanther67 said:

I don’t think there were shenanigans. A friend of mine won some of them. He’s an aggressive bidder like me, and simply wanted them. I was talking to him real time during the bidding - of course he was tipsy.

I told him to pump the brakes a bit, as I have 9.8 candidates of some of them likely to get graded soon, but he has a stubborn streak.

Congrats to your friend.  The question is, did he win them at his max bid or did he get a good deal on them?  Pedigree doesn't really have a stellar reputation based on past negative practices. Not sure how it is now, but bidders and collectors can form their own opinion and make their own judgements whether they want to do business with Pedigree.  I'm just reporting based on some of the experiences and research board members have posted here in the past. 

Also, I'm curious to know why I have not seen Pedigree Comics set-up at any major comic conventions. In my 20 years being in this hobby, I've never seen a Pedigree booth.  You would think being a pretty known comic auction house that they would set up to take in consignments and promote their biz.  It's something I just thought about and I don't think I ever saw an answer to this.   

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On 12/15/2022 at 2:16 PM, Dark Knight said:

Congrats to your friend.  The question is, did he win them at his max bid or did he get a good deal on them?  Pedigree doesn't really have a stellar reputation based on past negative practices. Not sure how it is now, but bidders and collectors can form their own opinion and make their own judgements whether they want to do business with Pedigree.  I'm just reporting based on some of the experiences and research board members have posted here in the past. 

Also, I'm curious to know why I have not seen Pedigree Comics set-up at any major comic conventions. In my 20 years being in this hobby, I've never seen a Pedigree booth.  You would think being a pretty known comic auction house that they would set up to take in consignments and promote their biz.  It's something I just thought about and I don't think I ever saw an answer to this.   

I saw Schmell had setup at Baltimore this and last year

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On 12/14/2022 at 5:56 PM, DC# said:

A bit behind but here are select results from the December Clink auction.    This is all sessions but I kept all results in one recap per title so as you go down you may see repeat grades that were part of later sessions.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for posting the recaps! I know a lot of us appreciate it!

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On 12/15/2022 at 9:57 AM, joeypost said:

Every book I have bid on in the last three months has set a new GPA high. Maybe it's just me.

You're a seasoned collector who has been around and active for a long time.  Unfortunately that means that you're looking for things that don't come up very often and therefore have increased competition.  There are some assumptions there, but that's part of what I notice when I'm bidding on stuff.  

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On 12/15/2022 at 2:16 PM, Dark Knight said:

Congrats to your friend.  The question is, did he win them at his max bid or did he get a good deal on them?  Pedigree doesn't really have a stellar reputation based on past negative practices. Not sure how it is now, but bidders and collectors can form their own opinion and make their own judgements whether they want to do business with Pedigree. 

I know Doug's got a shady history and that's why I have chosen not to do business with Pedigree, but I'm curious, have there been known shady dealings with Pedigree auctions? Schill bidding?  Or just based on Schmell's reputation? 

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On 12/15/2022 at 3:33 PM, KCOComics said:

I know Doug's got a shady history and that's why I have chosen not to do business with Pedigree, but I'm curious, have there been known shady dealings with Pedigree auctions? Schill bidding?  Or just based on Schmell's reputation? 

He's admitted to shilling. 

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There was also that Ewert trimming scandal where he tried to pass off trimmed books that he knew of to CGC to have them graded and slabbed in universal labels. I dunno what became of it.

Also read about holding buyer's money for his own gain to purchase comics for himself. Not sure about the full details on that.

Quite a few stuff that were claimed which is why I'll never do biz with him. 

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On 12/15/2022 at 11:57 AM, joeypost said:

Every book I have bid on in the last three months has set a new GPA high. Maybe it's just me.

That's been happening to me as well, but only because the books I bid on are either Golden Age (which are still on the rise), or a book in grade that hasn't had a recorded sale in years. 

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On 12/14/2022 at 4:56 PM, DC# said:

A bit behind but here are select results from the December Clink auction.    This is all sessions but I kept all results in one recap per title so as you go down you may see repeat grades that were part of later sessions.  

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Thanks for taking the time to do this and post it.  Much appreciated.

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On 12/14/2022 at 5:56 PM, DC# said:

A bit behind but here are select results from the December Clink auction.    This is all sessions but I kept all results in one recap per title so as you go down you may see repeat grades that were part of later sessions.  

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Thank you for doing this once again!

The UF 4 that went for 2k and the Usagi were mine. I was pretty happy with with both even though the prices dropped significantly over the past year. It is what it is. The bad part of this auction was I missed the FF 5 CGC 3.5 by less than 50 bucks, which sucked since that was my target books for this auction. But I did land Marvel Mystery Comics 82 and the Stan Lee signed Iron Man 1, so all good in the end.

As a general impression, I found it really tough to get any sort of deal on any of the books I was bidding on. It was either pay full price or bust, which is kind of how the featured auctions go. 

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Continued tracking of my 50 piece personal collection's value for insurance purposes.
I am utilizing eBay sold items (with auctions taking priority over buy-it-now) to determine FMV.

January to February           .40% increase
February to March            2.05% increase
March to April                   4.07% decrease
April to May                      1.14% decrease
May to June                        .01% decrease
June to July                      1.83% decrease
July to August                   3.15% decrease
August to September        7.01% decrease
September to October      1.68% increase
October to November       2.01% increase
November to December  12.15% increase

January to December        5.94% increase

Break Down Of 2022 Performance
Largest Gains
Marvel's Avengers #1 9.8                             signed by Robert Downey Jr.   242.11% Increase
Scott Pilgrim: Full-Colour Odds & Ends 9.8 signed by Bryan Lee O'Malley 100% Increase
Detective Comics #880 9.8                          signed by Jock                          65.09% Increase

Largest Losses
Sandman #1 9.8           signed by Neil Gaiman 64.44% Decrease
Ultimate Fallout #4 9.6                                      46.76% Decrease
Batman #404 9.6          signed by Frank Miller 38.94% Decrease

Another Year Of No Comp Data For The Following:
(Insurance 'Value' Rolls Over...AGAIN)
Atom Tan #1
Image United #1 SS       All Image Presidents
Milestone X-Men #1 SS Kirby and Lee (solid yellow label)     ASKING PRICES ARE BANANAS!
Star Wars #1 SS            Papa Lucas

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On 12/20/2022 at 8:47 PM, troy.division said:

Continued tracking of my 50 piece personal collection's value for insurance purposes.
I am utilizing eBay sold items (with auctions taking priority over buy-it-now) to determine FMV.

January to February           .40% increase
February to March            2.05% increase
March to April                   4.07% decrease
April to May                      1.14% decrease
May to June                        .01% decrease
June to July                      1.83% decrease
July to August                   3.15% decrease
August to September        7.01% decrease
September to October      1.68% increase
October to November       2.01% increase
November to December  12.15% increase

January to December        5.94% increase

Break Down Of 2022 Performance
Largest Gains
Marvel's Avengers #1 9.8                             signed by Robert Downey Jr.   242.11% Increase
Scott Pilgrim: Full-Colour Odds & Ends 9.8 signed by Bryan Lee O'Malley 100% Increase
Detective Comics #880 9.8                          signed by Jock                          65.09% Increase

Largest Losses
Sandman #1 9.8           signed by Neil Gaiman 64.44% Decrease
Ultimate Fallout #4 9.6                                      46.76% Decrease
Batman #404 9.6          signed by Frank Miller 38.94% Decrease

Another Year Of No Comp Data For The Following:
(Insurance 'Value' Rolls Over...AGAIN)
Atom Tan #1
Image United #1 SS       All Image Presidents
Milestone X-Men #1 SS Kirby and Lee (solid yellow label)     ASKING PRICES ARE BANANAS!
Star Wars #1 SS            Papa Lucas

I have enjoyed seeing you track your collection. Seems like you not only regained all your losses but actually increased the value above and beyond the crazy sale prices during the covid boom. This is remarkable since most keys are still 40-60% down from their highs. Assuming this is due to your books being modern Signature Series that don't have as many comps as the typical keys. What are your thoughts? 

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On 12/23/2022 at 9:17 PM, Motor City Rob said:

I have enjoyed seeing you track your collection. Seems like you not only regained all your losses but actually increased the value above and beyond the crazy sale prices during the covid boom. This is remarkable since most keys are still 40-60% down from their highs. Assuming this is due to your books being modern Signature Series that don't have as many comps as the typical keys. What are your thoughts? 

Thank you.
Yes, I believe that 39 of the 50 being Signature Series helped to an extent.
It could have all been Christmas shopping for loved ones.
Honestly, I'd love for one of the Signature Series Milestone X-men #1s currently on eBay to sell at auction to determine FMV.
That would help with my collectible insurance appraisal at least.
(again the asking prices are bananas)

For those that are worried about the bottom falling out.
In comparing the 'values' of the 36 books that have remained consistent since I began tracking in 2019 I found the following:
The collective value* of those 36 books are up 54.53%, even with the COVID 'drop' in the market.

*again, 4 key books have had no comp data since 2019

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Watching some of the Heritage Auction today. All previous sales from the GPA.

All Star Comics #8 4.5, $43K = Last sales were $42.6K in Jun 2022 and $56.8K in Mar 2022. Outliers include $93.5K for a 5.0 in Feb 2022 and a 5.5 for $75K in Aug 2021

Amazing Fantasy #15 9.2, $810K = Last sales for 8.5s were $552K in Nov 2022, $875K in Jul 2022 and $707K in Sep 2021.  A 9.4 sold for $795K in Mar 2020

Avengers #1 9.4 Northland, $120K = Northland 9.4 last sold for $95.5 in Aug 2013.  9.0 sold for $48K in Nov 2022

Avengers #4 9.6, $45.6K = Last sale for 9.6 was $19K in Dec 2020. Boston 9.4 sold for $33.6K in Nov 2022 and 9.4 for $29K in Mar 2022.

Batman #1 6.0, $552K = Last sale 6.5 in Sep 2021 for $576K, 4.5 in Jun 2022 for $345K

Crime Suspenstories #22 9.0, $72K = Three sales in 2022, $52.8K, $31K and $33K.

Detective Comics #168 8.0 Davis Crippen, $38K = Latest sales were 7.0 in Nov 2022 for $33.6K and in Mar 2022 for $31.5K

Fantastic Four #48 9.6, $37K = Four sales in 2022 were $38K, $28.8K, $56K and $37K. Five sales in 2021 were $36K, $29.5K, $38K, $26.5K and $19.8K.

Giant Size X-Men #1 9.8, $33.6K = Last 2 sales were $33.6K, then $33K and $36K.  All sales in 2022 previous to these were above $40K with a high of $55K.

Incredible Hulk #180 9.8, $22.8K = Last sale was $19K in Nov 2022, other sales last year were $35K, $26K, $24K and $33.6K.  2021 had a sale of 40.8K.

Incredible Hulk #181 9.8, $69K = Seven sales last year, lowest was $84K, all the rest over $90K with a high of $138K

Superman #1 5.0 Nova Scotia, $675K = Last sale for Nova Scotia was $84K in 2007, 5.0 for $720K in May 2022 and 4.0 in June 2022 for $815K

Tales of Suspense #39 9.2, $108K = Last sales $144K in 2021 and $168K in Nov 2022

2000 A.D. Weekly #2 9.4, $14K = Last sales 6.5 for $9300 and 6.5 for $7200 AND a 9.0 for $22.8K in Sept 2022

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