letsgrumble Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arkham Posted January 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 12:44 PM, alexgross.com said: i expect these boards to either be shut down If that ever happened, I (like many others here, I'm sure) would happily host a new one for the community. WolverineX, Wall-Crawler, Beige and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 (edited) On 1/10/2022 at 9:24 PM, D84 said: With all due respect, CGC is not a model for consistency either. I've cracked CGC slabs that were severely over graded. People talk about the stricter and looser periods here, but it hasn't hurt their reputation because of its cult like following. It is not a cult like following, it is because CBCS has blown their credibility with consistently looser grading at the wrong time. When Steve jumped ship there were plenty of collectors and dealers that followed, only to return when the loose grading killed the value for the books. Personally, I find that CBCS allows too many of my pet peeve flaws go in higher grade books so I pass on them even at an attractive discount. Every company has its tighter and looser grading periods. Heck, there was a time when PGX had tighter grading than CGC - I know based on submissions I made there during another extra long TAT period at CGC. I thought they looked better, and this was confirmed when I resubbed them to CGC and received higher grades on every book without pressing and cleaning (I did not know what that was way back then ). Over time, CGC has been the most consistent of the grading companies and as a result it is the one that buyers trust. Edited January 11, 2022 by kimik Pitboss, Artboy99, Tony S and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oalg2 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 In reference to 'rivals' grading - The amount of 9.9's getting put out there on a regular basis are ridiculous! Lets not take this thread away from the point though... Are dealers just going to take this c**p or..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1950's war comics Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 is $200 really that much anymore ?? FoggyNelson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ride the Tiger Posted January 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2022 I would think that the $200 would be better received if TATs weren't gigantic. If Newton rings weren't becoming a problem again. If plastic shards weren't being found in so many slabs. If labels were being corrected in QC like they're supposed to be. If there wasn't already another price increase announced. If people weren't starting to lose interest in this hobby. BEAUMONTS, Larryw7, Sigur Ros and 10 others 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D2 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 1/10/2022 at 10:12 PM, oalg2 said: The OP's correct... It looks like as-well as being hit with the percentage lowering last year, we now have to pay for the privilage of being dealers, to get our discount and pay for bringing in CGC business... It is crazy! Yes. I am sorry to say but everyone here just sounds like a bunch of whiners. The last time I checked, dealers make a LOT of money being associated with CGC, and you guys are kicking up a fuss for 200 bucks a year. I understand everyone’s frustration, but someone needs to tell you guys that you STILL have it easy and, last time I checked, being a CGC dealer was, hard to get into, and a lucrative business when you are. My last point is, you are not bringing in CGC business, CGC is bringing in business for you. arexcrooke, RockMyAmadeus and Lazyboy 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D2 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 (edited) On 1/11/2022 at 12:53 AM, CrocHntr said: Not to turn this into another CGC vs CBCS discussion, but as a buyer, I’m paying for an accurate grade. I really don’t care which Company’s slab I get as long as I can be confident the grading is accurate. And I’d pay the same price for either slab, so I don’t know why a seller would willingly sell one for less than the other. I don’t care which company slabs? You should care. If you’re in the business to make money, I’m pretty sure every single person into comics will agree the exact same book, graded by CGC, will receive more. Period. So you should care. Edited January 11, 2022 by D2 Lazyboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post D2 Posted January 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 1/10/2022 at 11:38 PM, Beige said: Steve Borock must be grinning from ear to ear. CBCS will be market leader in 18 months. What incentive is there to stay with CGC - quality control, 12 month waits, endless 'special sig signings' that very few people care about jumping the queue - and stupid stunts with empty cases. How to lose customers and trash your business 101 Then go. go to CBCS tomorrow. Go ahead. It’s this attitude. You guys need to wake up. No one cares about your individual gripes and nickel and dime shenanigans. Fact is, comic books graded by CGC are at premium prices, and CGC is the only reason why this market and industry is where it is today. Facts. Everyone is happy to cash in on a growing market, but fail to thank the one company responsible. CGC. Slot13, Lazyboy, I like pie and 12 others 1 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D2 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 I hope a bunch of you dealers jump ship. This way more slots will open up for new guys hungry and excited for the opportunity to be a part of a huge connection. People that leave would regret it, and clearly need the lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator CGC Mike Posted January 11, 2022 Administrator Share Posted January 11, 2022 Lets keep this discussion civil, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_BEYONDER Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 (edited) Complaining about $200 while your inventory increased in value exponentially over the last year or so.... Seems kinda silly Spend 10 minutes going through your dollar bins to pay for it. So much free money in there if you take a moment to find it Edited January 11, 2022 by THE_BEYONDER arexcrooke, Lord Gemini, Rip and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Artboy99 Posted January 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 1/10/2022 at 9:06 PM, blazingbob said: It is not that the seller would sell one for less then the other. It is that the buyers won't pay the same price. Accurately graded books will always sell faster. If you are looking at a book and questioning the grade and it is the same when looking at lots of books you come to the determination that they grading is loose and that you automatically downgrade the book in the holder. CBCS did it to themselves, the market didn't do it. You get a reputation as a loose grader it sticks with you. I agree with this, but I can also say CGC is doing the same. Books they would have graded as 4.5 several years ago are now "suddenly" 5.5's. They changed how they grade books and it is obvious to me. thehumantorch, Mystafo, Finhead and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 2:48 AM, Arkham said: If that ever happened, I (like many others here, I'm sure) would happily host a new one for the community. All of the forums that I know of which charge for membership are the absolute worst environments. CGC's current forum isn't perfect, but it's about what you'd expect. No way in Hel I would ever pay to be here. JJ-4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GACollectibles Posted January 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2022 Blindside your customers with new program and no explanation, THEN send out the email. awakeintheashes, I like pie, Mystafo and 12 others 12 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCOComics Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 8:09 AM, D2 said: Then go. go to CBCS tomorrow. Go ahead. It’s this attitude. You guys need to wake up. No one cares about your individual gripes and nickel and dime shenanigans. Fact is, comic books graded by CGC are at premium prices, and CGC is the only reason why this market and industry is where it is today. Facts. Everyone is happy to cash in on a growing market, but fail to thank the one company responsible. CGC. You gotta admit, this isn't a good look for cgc. I'm all for fair and balanced. Price hikes and market adjustments are a part of business. CGC is selling a service. And that service has been bad for nearly 2 years now. Wait times and quality control issues. I can't imagine Matt or anyone else would argue that point. They've been bad. They've cut discounts and increased prices and justified it by saying they would hire more people and improve processes. And maybe they have, but it's failed to address their problems. I'm not a dealer. This doesn't effect me. But unannounced rate hikes is poor business practice for a company that needs to address serious underlying problems. Sadly it seems like they've made the choice to expand and diversify in non-comic areas, at the cost of the quality of their comic business. They don't believe there is viable competition and they might be right, for now. skypinkblu, Larryw7, Prince Namor and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wombat Posted January 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 4:00 AM, kimik said: It is not a cult like following, It most certainly is for some. D84, Larryw7, Lazyboy and 4 others 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin76 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Only way around it is for sellers to keep comics raw and just charge the CGC online sales price Tony S 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 7:43 AM, Kevin76 said: Only way around it is for sellers to keep comics raw and just charge the CGC online sales price Which is happening. Tony S, JJ-4 and Artboy99 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Transplant Posted January 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 7:25 AM, THE_BEYONDER said: Complaining about $200 while your inventory increased in value exponentially over the last year or so.... Seems kinda silly Spend 10 minutes going through your dollar bins to pay for it. So much free money in there if you take a moment to find it You're right. It's a little silly. But, and I hesitate to type this, it is somewhat of the principle of the thing. Dealers built CGC by submitting, advocating, buying and selling. Just ignore that for a second. The question is, why start charging? Why $200? Why not $1000? $200/dealer account isn't going to raise any kind of significant money for CGC, as least not on the comic side. No idea about coins, cards, etc. So why do it? Dealers have expectations of CGC that already aren't being met. Now, they're not just supporters, CGC has made them another level of customers. Why do it? 1 answer. It gets a dealer used to paying "something" for the privilege of being a dealer. Next year or the year after, when it's time to renew that dealer fee, who knows what the prices will be. And oh, by the way, read that dealer agreement again. Anything disparaging CGC is grounds to be terminated as a dealer. Larryw7, Randall Ries, arexcrooke and 14 others 16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
