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PGX just stepped on an Atom Bomb. A classic tale of deceit, trimming,and woe.

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True. Some have also suggested to me that Elliot (Ryan/Robin)is the true ringleader.

 

Myself and others have been warning Patterson for quite sometime.

 

There's a lot of interesting information out there. Maybe when I have more time a few of us should trade notes and take it to PM.

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As I mentioned in the 1st page of the original thread, the transaction I had with them was weird.

The info that ebay keeps on record for ma4pres is:

Christina Leder

4450 Hilton Drive.

Eugene, Or. 97402

(541) 521-2620

When she finally replied from christinascollectables@hotmail.com she gave me an address.

Terance Leder

PO. box 2423

Eugene, Or. 97402

 

Several days later, I sent another e-mail, and recieved a paypal payment from:

Dennis Hooker

293 West 7th

Eugene, Or. 97401

 

 

4450 Hilton is home of D. Leder

 

D Leder

4450 Hilton Dr

Eugene, OR 97402-1722

(541) 461-2578

Good work on Dennis Hooker. What name does the D stand for in the Leder address?
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Here is with the Dennis Hooker Address 3.9 mi (about 9 mins)

 

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=711+oakdale+Street,+springfield+OR&spn=0.004914,0.007703&t=k&hl=en

 

Christina Leder 10.9 mi (about 16 mins)

 

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=711+oakdale+Street,+springfield+OR&spn=0.004914,0.007703&t=k&hl=en

 

Has anyone ever been to Eugene?

 

OF COURSE everything is a stone's throw away!!! It takes a whopping 10-15 minutes to go from one end of the "city" to the other foreheadslap.gif

 

I think we'll need a little more than this!!!

 

Again, I am in no way on PGX's side... just on the side of reality wink.gif In fact due to the reality of realized prices, I no longer use them period! So I could care less about the bashing,

 

I live in the Vancouver area. Does that mean that if Isell a book, that somehow Greggy, CrowsQB, AARDVARK and who ever else lives within 50 miles is attached to that sale??? I think not!

 

But then again, this is the internet and ANYTHING is possible!

 

I'm truly am surprised that there were no big reactions to the fact of meeting in a hotel and not the "shop". After seeing what sets the masses off, I would of thought that would have stoked the fire a bit confused-smiley-013.gif Guess that's why I keep coming back... you'll never know what can happen around here smile.gif

 

John thumbsup2.gif

I planted trees for a timber co. in Or. about 20 years ago. It's beautiful there. If I ever go back, I'll bypass Eugene. There seems to be a lot of dishonest people there. BTW Eugene is pretty much a collage town.
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Ze-man

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OK, I will bite. What did you mean exactly when you said

"I wanted to drop off the books, but couldn't"

 

I take it Dan said no when you asked about dropping books off in person at PGX? He then says he will meet you at a mutually agreed upon location? WTF!!!

Did you press him as to why?

 

I guess I will await your reply before asking the obvious questions

 

 

Ze-.

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Some of the names used by ma4pres are Ryan/Robin Elliot & Mike Adams.

Money is sent to these names.

Honestly I feel that there are multiple people involved here.

These are not just made up names.

 

As people have mentioned before it doesn't help that a Donovan Elliot works at PGX. Also Patterson is not Leder.

 

One more clarification ma4pres IS Leder. They have the same voice on the phone.

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OK, I will bite. What did you mean exactly when you said

"I wanted to drop off the books, but couldn't"

 

I take it Dan said no when you asked about dropping books off in person at PGX? He then says he will meet you at a mutually agreed upon location? WTF!!!

Did you press him as to why?

 

I guess I will await your reply before asking the obvious questions

 

 

Ze-.

 

I was told that he wasn't set up for having people come by. I didn't press it too much (not how it sounds foreheadslap.gif).

 

He met me at the Hotel, we went over the books, he took them, next day returned them slabbed.

 

Nice guy. Seemed quite knowledgable. I wasn't aware of all of the conspiracy theories out there! Now I am aware and am more concious about it all smile.gif

 

Thanks guys thumbsup2.gif I owe it all to the boards! I would be lost without them sometimes!

 

It was my first submission anywhere! I had been out of the collecting world for over 10+ years and didn't even know about this stuff till I came here. I figured Florida was a little far of a drive, so I went to Eugene... I learn from my mistakes!

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The PGX address has been posted before

This is what I have

711 Oakdale St., Springfield, Oregon 97477

 

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=711+oakdale+Street,+springfield+OR&spn=0.004914,0.007703&t=k&hl=en

 

That's not the address that Daniel had me ship books to.

 

What address would that be? PO Box 71154 Eugene OR 97401?

 

Jim

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The PGX address has been posted before

This is what I have

711 Oakdale St., Springfield, Oregon 97477

 

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=711+oakdale+Street,+springfield+OR&spn=0.004914,0.007703&t=k&hl=en

 

That's not the address that Daniel had me ship books to.

 

What address would that be? PO Box 71154 Eugene OR 97401?

 

Jim

Nope, it's a physical address. Tigertail Road.

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You outright accused Patterson of not only knowing that trimmed books were being submitted but of trimming himself. You have proof?

 

At least when I have made statements regarding people's conduct I had proof. Not supposition. Not conjecture. Proof.

 

It is called not being a hypocrite as to how you deal with people.

 

FYI, I've met Patterson once, on the panel I hosted in SD.

 

Mark....you are simply sounding foolish. Go back, read the linked threads and then come back and start over. I never said Patterson outright trimmed these books. I said it was quite possible.

 

For the record, I solicited and posted Patterson's opinion on one of his previous problems, the phoney ASM 69 scan. Go back and educate yourself first!

 

And again, since you are alluding to Schmell, what proof do you have that he did anything but press books? You may not like pressing, but that's a far cry from trimming and serving as the personal grader for a suspicious dealer. Do you have PROOF that DS did something else other than press and resub? I haven't seen anything else from you. You've have still missed my whole point about my concern about the treatment of DS on these boards.

 

And what does your meeting Patterson have anything to do with this?

 

If you could just slow your pontification pace and STFU for a couple of minutes, try a little humility and just educate yourself fully with the backstory on this.....and stop posting inaccuracies, you'll look less of a dope.

 

One more thing....I love it that you think the only ultimate outcome of this is legal action. It all leads to legal action, right? It isn't a real problem until a lawyer is billing for it right? Baloney. (and I apologize to the other attorneys on the boards.)

 

There are enough question about Patterson, the structure of PGX and their relationship to TD/Leder to make me quite sure I am talking about serious stuff. There is also evidence existing that links a lot of this together. Again, if you slowed down, and stopped your inflated yapping, maybe you'd learn something. Hate to tell you, but you're not the final authority around here.

 

Best, Brad

 

Brad, you are a pompous arrogant [insert here] and I am really tired of your superiority attitude and complex. Whenever anyone calls you on anything you lash out with name calling and ridiculing instead of simply refuting the comments or maturely setting forth your position.

 

Go read your own posts above. You made it very clear that in your opinion Patterson was engaged in criminal activity. Omitting "outright" is not a defense to defamation.

 

You love to bring up Schmell, who doesn't even agree with your own defensive (or perhaps I should say offensive) comments you've made against me. Geez, I wonder what that says about your character?

 

BTW, I've never accused Doug of criminal activity with respect to comics.

 

As far as your lawyering comments go, they are not even worthy of response. At least I take action against frauds when forumites come to me after being victimized, which is quite often.

 

What have you done besides complain, attack people and create pretty pictures?

 

Go ahead and keep spouting your insults Brad. Definitely helps unite everyone around the cause, and it certainly wins you friends and influence. yeahok.gif

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You outright accused Patterson of not only knowing that trimmed books were being submitted but of trimming himself. You have proof?

 

At least when I have made statements regarding people's conduct I had proof. Not supposition. Not conjecture. Proof.

 

It is called not being a hypocrite as to how you deal with people.

 

FYI, I've met Patterson once, on the panel I hosted in SD.

 

Mark....you are simply sounding foolish. Go back, read the linked threads and then come back and start over. I never said Patterson outright trimmed these books. I said it was quite possible.

 

For the record, I solicited and posted Patterson's opinion on one of his previous problems, the phoney ASM 69 scan. Go back and educate yourself first!

 

And again, since you are alluding to Schmell, what proof do you have that he did anything but press books? You may not like pressing, but that's a far cry from trimming and serving as the personal grader for a suspicious dealer. Do you have PROOF that DS did something else other than press and resub? I haven't seen anything else from you. You've have still missed my whole point about my concern about the treatment of DS on these boards.

 

And what does your meeting Patterson have anything to do with this?

 

If you could just slow your pontification pace and STFU for a couple of minutes, try a little humility and just educate yourself fully with the backstory on this.....and stop posting inaccuracies, you'll look less of a dope.

 

One more thing....I love it that you think the only ultimate outcome of this is legal action. It all leads to legal action, right? It isn't a real problem until a lawyer is billing for it right? Baloney. (and I apologize to the other attorneys on the boards.)

 

There are enough question about Patterson, the structure of PGX and their relationship to TD/Leder to make me quite sure I am talking about serious stuff. There is also evidence existing that links a lot of this together. Again, if you slowed down, and stopped your inflated yapping, maybe you'd learn something. Hate to tell you, but you're not the final authority around here.

 

Best, Brad

 

Brad, you are a pompous arrogant [insert here] and I am really tired of your superiority attitude and complex. Whenever anyone calls you on anything you lash out with name calling and ridiculing instead of simply refuting the comments or maturely setting forth your position.

 

Go read your own posts above. You made it very clear that in your opinion Patterson was engaged in criminal activity. Omitting "outright" is not a defense to defamation.

 

You love to bring up Schmell, who doesn't even agree with your own defensive (or perhaps I should say offensive) comments you've made against me. Geez, I wonder what that says about your character?

 

BTW, I've never accused Doug of criminal activity with respect to comics.

 

As far as your lawyering comments go, they are not even worthy of response. At least I take action against frauds when forumites come to me after being victimized, which is quite often.

 

What have you done besides complain, attack people and create pretty pictures?

 

Go ahead and keep spouting your insults Brad. Definitely helps unite everyone around the cause, and it certainly wins you friends and influence. yeahok.gif

 

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To me, the continued existence and operation of PCS is the most serious issue around to clear up. I'd love to see Mark Zaid chase after that bus.

 

Brad

 

And PCS has done what "legally" wrong Mr. wanna be lawyer?

 

And you have no clue what I have or have not done with respect to PCS. I don't post every action I take.

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I just made a post asking you two to let it go, but deleted it. Decided it was not my place to say one word.

 

But WTF....it sucks watching you two go at it.

 

One of ya turn the other cheek already, willya?

 

 

Leave the childish bickering to me and MK.

 

Ze-

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