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On 4/25/2024 at 10:47 AM, Malacoda said:

You're examining this because it might actually be a rare Charlton, right? 

I used to love those Doctor Who Weetabix promotions. I wouldn't be lying, if I told you I can remember to this day the thrill of putting your hand inside that box and pulling out those cards 

On 4/23/2024 at 7:04 PM, rjpb said:

4. Black ink does not always bleed through cover stock, it depends on the marker, and quality of the paper coating. Sometimes when you hold a book with color touch at an angle with light reflecting on it, you can tell where black marker has been applied as its reflectivity differs from the black ink.

Be nice to hear if that's the case, yes.

On 4/23/2024 at 7:04 PM, rjpb said:

As certain as I can be without holding the book in hand, all evidence points to the webbing being colored in with marker, and would be very surprised if CGC reversed their notation. It would be helpful if they were more specific about the where of color touch in their notes. 

 

I love a production / printing error more than anyone, but that is the front runner for me here as things stand, without having the book in hand. 

On 4/24/2024 at 2:46 PM, Malacoda said:

OK guys, I thought I'd better alert you to this bargain. £300. Empty Weetabix box.  Thank me later. 

Too much?

On 4/23/2024 at 9:40 PM, Albert Tatlock said:

Eddie Charlton's middle initials,

True, but at least his comics gave you more.

On 4/23/2024 at 8:20 PM, Point Five said:

This isn't a shirt per se but seems to belong here. This guy's tie got more drawing love than some entire comic covers!

 

Always wear your best tie when you're giving your best girl a ring in an apple tree with a weirdo sulking behind you. Incidentally, the look on his face says he'll be secretly filming her ring later tonight with that hidden camera tie pin of his. 

Are they not tiny marker pen dots, along the top edge of the cover?

If so, that strengthens the argument that the marker pen has bled over the top edge, where there would be no gloss, but the gloss of the flat cover has prevented bleed through showing on the inside cover.

Am I talking rubbish? 

I don't know the answer to this one. Two of the explanations put forward seem plausible (two black plates / ink marker pen) but it's hard to say without the book in hand. I've always been interested in the order that the plates are laid down. To my logical brain, the black K plate should be done last to 'seal' the image but others in this thread have suggested otherwise.

If we take a look at these two old Spidey's of mine, it looks to me like what shows as red on the cover appears to be sitting above the black in the right hand images:

In the left hand images, the black K plate appears to have been applied last to 'frame' the image correctly. I'd love to hear an expert's take on what happened there.

Returning to the Spanish Spidey, the cover paper stock looks very glossy. Is it possible that a weak marker pen applied to the cover would not bleed through? If not, then the only explanation left is BriD's earlier double K plate error scenario (although I'm mindful of rjpb's thoughts on how how scruffy the curves are). 

On 4/23/2024 at 12:34 PM, genrlzod said:

In the off chance anyone is interested:

On 4/23/2024 at 9:59 AM, apocalypse76 said:

but the biggest surprise to me was the ASM 252. There is about 1/4" tear w 1 1/2" crease along with spine ticks, large scuff all color breaking. In addition, it is just an overall dingy copy for a modern book. That book should never be better than 8.0 and I would personally grade it at 7.5.

I'm glad you said that as I thought I was the only one who undergraded it. I went for 7.5 too, but on the basis that I'd call it a 7.0, so CGC would go higher. 

On 4/23/2024 at 5:53 AM, Professor K said:

#9 - Dance the night away in this Red and Yellow striped shirt. Weird sandals optional. 

What an outfit 

And 'young love'? He looks about 35.

Wonderful thread, Professor K, wonderful 

On 4/23/2024 at 12:09 AM, Albert Tatlock said:

Was it Eddie Charlton v Cliff Thorburn?

If so, don't bother waking up.

Back in the day you could sleep eight hours and they'd still be on the first frame 

I used to like Steady Eddie. Selby is in the same mould. 

On 4/22/2024 at 9:01 PM, Redshade said:

And a few hundred Skunky if you recall a previous conversation.

 

I do, yes. Conquerors, not Conquistadors. I haven't woken up properly. Fell asleep in front of the snooker.

On 4/22/2024 at 8:54 PM, Redshade said:

Yes, I thought that you would Steve that's part of the reason I had a stab. I left a bid of £32 when it was at £10.50 yesterday and I was 75% certain that I would win it. I wonder who it was?

That one doesn't turn up often. Skunky and the other two do, so maybe that had a bearing. When I was chasing the Bell Features books, there was always fierce competition on the first copy, then it tailed off a subsequent copies emerged. So likely only a handful of collectors after them. Some seller has loads of the Conquistadors, and can't sell them for a tenner anymore. 

On 4/22/2024 at 7:10 PM, Redshade said:

I'm not sure how to find old posts in this system so apologies in advance if this missive is in an incorrect place. 
There has been discussions in the pages about the Canadian Century comics (Skunky, Dr Mercy and others which I have) and when I saw this on eBay UK I had to have a pop.
Alas my bid of £32 was not high enough. Was it one of you bounders?

 

Over here Stephen:

Funnily enough, my last post there is a copy of that very book!

I might have had a go at that ebay copy if it had come up in my searches. The seller likely lost out by not including 1946, Century etc. I'd probably have lost though too. Love the price sticker. 

On 4/21/2024 at 2:49 PM, Malacoda said:

Thanks.  And those 12p stickers look very much like T&P stickers. Do we know that T&P were distributing Charltons in 1976? 

We do.

This made me smile - an eBore seller with four copies, no less, of Marvel Tales Annual #2 up for bidding:

The two UKPVs have T&P stamps and the two cents copies don't.

Love it 

On 4/21/2024 at 2:36 AM, Spider-Variant said:

Example, look at the dogs mouth in the original art vs the published page.  Teeth just disappear in a sea of black colors.

I never liked that dog, in the first panel. Odd looking thing, I always thought. And this story was my first introduction to the phrase "SIC 'IM!" 

I'd never heard that before and, if I'm honest, I had no idea what it meant. No Google in them days, to look that one up.

Did he go back and pay her for the window in the end? I can't remember now.

While we're on this subject, Rich, I wonder why there are so many 10p printed price / 12p stickered Charltons out there, in that late 76 early 77 window, but no Marvel equivalents? Have we covered this before? If all those inflation impacted Charltons did get repriced sequentially on arrival, and not in bulk at some later point, why don't we see 10p printed Marvels, which would have arrived at the same time, with 12p correcting stickers too?

On 4/20/2024 at 6:56 PM, Malacoda said:

Can we agree, it would be an almost impossible coincidence for two different newsagents miles apart to unearth three different comics, years apart and re-price them to the then-current price of 12p with the same stickers.  This has to be the world rep, doesn't it? 

Could be, Rich. Nice thought, isn't it. I can think of other scenarios though, and we are only looking at three examples to be fair (unless you have more unposted). Maybe both newsagents had lousy stock control, and both bought their stickers from the same WH Smiths  

I like it when you find common patterns or events, where there are just enough examples to suggest a thing, but just not enough to suggest anything concrete or systematic. This is why I have so many abandoned folders in my files, the starting point of investigations for which no further examples materialised. There's nothing for it - you'll have to make a folder, keep looking, and report back in a few more years 

On 4/21/2024 at 2:29 AM, Malacoda said:

Interesting.  Noted.  Thank you.  If I understand, this is PV Charlies (duals) rocking up in the UK at first importation and,  due to bonkers inflation since they were printed, being repriced to 12p directly from 10p before even hitting the spinners, right? 

Yep, that's my understanding Rich.

On 4/21/2024 at 2:29 AM, Malacoda said:

So it's the same environment, but a key difference is the Marvels were seemingly distributed at cover price up to 2 years earlier, then re-circulated with stickers, having jumped straight across 3 price increases.  

Yes, agreed. The point of my post was to point out that your two posts below both base their dates on an assertion that comics 'went up to 12p from March 1977':

On 9/3/2022 at 6:42 PM, Malacoda said:

I have previously shared with the group my copy of Astonishing Tales #34 (cd March 1976) bought from a spinner rack more than a year later, repriced to the then current UK price of 12p.  It’s demonstrably more than a year later because comics only went up to 12p in March 1977.

On 4/20/2024 at 6:56 PM, Malacoda said:

Recently, I finally found another one of these for sale. Ghost Rider 11 from April 1975, repriced all the way from 8p to 12p (+50%, nice work if you can get it) some time after March 1977. 

The Charlton scenario indicates that comics were being stickered at 12p much earlier, from August 1976. Perhaps your newsagent was stickering that early too.