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artdealer

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On 2/3/2022 at 12:22 PM, Race said:

Original Frank Miller and Joe Rubinstein - Captain America Post Card | Lot #97315 | Heritage Auctions (ha.com) $3,600

Today's ask CAPTAIN AMERICA - MARVEL POST CARD ART by Frank Miller (panelpageart.com) $6,500

80% price appreciation in 4 months. Nice.

BTW hate to even give him any attention, but felt this was appropriate after seeing his back and forth with Mitch on the marketplace thread.

I did nothing wrong but ask a question.  Alll I expected was a simple answer. 
I didn’t expect him to whine about me “picking” on him. Which I wasn’t. 
 

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On 2/3/2022 at 12:22 PM, Race said:

Original Frank Miller and Joe Rubinstein - Captain America Post Card | Lot #97315 | Heritage Auctions (ha.com) $3,600

Today's ask CAPTAIN AMERICA - MARVEL POST CARD ART by Frank Miller (panelpageart.com) $6,500

80% price appreciation in 4 months. Nice.

BTW hate to even give him any attention, but felt this was appropriate after seeing his back and forth with Mitch on the marketplace thread.

4 x 6 image for $6500? 
You can buy a Miller Sin City page from my site for that price!

 

On 2/3/2022 at 12:22 PM, Race said:

Original Frank Miller and Joe Rubinstein - Captain America Post Card | Lot #97315 | Heritage Auctions (ha.com) $3,600

Today's ask CAPTAIN AMERICA - MARVEL POST CARD ART by Frank Miller (panelpageart.com) $6,500

80% price appreciation in 4 months. Nice.

BTW hate to even give him any attention, but felt this was appropriate after seeing his back and forth with Mitch on the marketplace thread.

4 x 5 image for $6500? 
You can buy a Miller Sin City page from my site for that price. 

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On 2/3/2022 at 12:14 PM, artdealer said:

4 x 6 image for $6500? 
You can buy a Miller Sin City page from my site for that price!

 

4 x 5 image for $6500? 
You can buy a Miller Sin City page from my site for that price. 

I really liked that Miller piece that was $8500. Boy did it go fast!

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On 2/3/2022 at 12:22 PM, Race said:

Original Frank Miller and Joe Rubinstein - Captain America Post Card | Lot #97315 | Heritage Auctions (ha.com) $3,600

Today's ask CAPTAIN AMERICA - MARVEL POST CARD ART by Frank Miller (panelpageart.com) $6,500

80% price appreciation in 4 months. Nice.

BTW hate to even give him any attention, but felt this was appropriate after seeing his back and forth with Mitch on the marketplace thread.

Ueah, and likewise on his site, the Romita Marvel Tales cover at 60% increase from recent HA sale, And the Bob Hall ASM 287 cover also.

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On 2/3/2022 at 1:42 PM, jjonahjameson11 said:

Ueah, and likewise on his site, the Romita Marvel Tales cover at 60% increase from recent HA sale, And the Bob Hall ASM 287 cover also.

I give Glen credit, though, for saying the quiet part out loud in my other thread: There are collectors/investors with a) bigger wallets and b) less pricing knowledge of the OA world, and he is targeting them vs the regular collecting community. The experiment will be, how large is this new client base? Is it a sustainable model? If it is, then he has made the right choice to inflate prices.

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On 2/3/2022 at 12:33 PM, artdealer said:

I did nothing wrong but ask a question.  Alll I expected was a simple answer. 
I didn’t expect him to whine about me “picking” on him. Which I wasn’t. 
 

Mitch, your question was fair and valid.  I did not expect Glen to respond in such a manner.  

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On 2/3/2022 at 7:49 PM, Race said:

I give Glen credit, though, for saying the quiet part out loud in my other thread: There are collectors/investors with a) bigger wallets and b) less pricing knowledge of the OA world, and he is targeting them vs the regular collecting community. The experiment will be, how large is this new client base? Is it a sustainable model? If it is, then he has made the right choice to inflate prices.

He actually admitted he's an opportunist scumbag!

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Bagley ASM #374 title page “sold” on Feb. 8 for $6,400 on eBay. Thought I question the legitimacy of the sale since (1) feedback seller and (0) feedback “buyer.”

https://www.ebay.com/itm/353882842831?hash=item52650fa6cf%3Ag%3AnyMAAOSw7ZBh9fX8&nma=true&si=P0Ux18fRWKItf%2F%2FJe8WcIuXMsgU%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Now listed Feb. 10 for $8K OBO:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/194815656632?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D95ed09f295414ad1ae9155811e97b7be%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D353882842831%26itm%3D194815656632%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3Ae5113bc7-8add-11ec-9a36-7294107304f8|parentrq%3Ae67f6ca217e0a9bd51753cddffeaaabc|iid%3A1

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On 2/11/2022 at 4:54 AM, lobrac said:

Bagley ASM #374 title page “sold” on Feb. 8 for $6,400 on eBay. Thought I question the legitimacy of the sale since (1) feedback seller and (0) feedback “buyer.”

https://www.ebay.com/itm/353882842831?hash=item52650fa6cf%3Ag%3AnyMAAOSw7ZBh9fX8&nma=true&si=P0Ux18fRWKItf%2F%2FJe8WcIuXMsgU%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Now listed Feb. 10 for $8K OBO:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/194815656632?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D95ed09f295414ad1ae9155811e97b7be%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D353882842831%26itm%3D194815656632%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3Ae5113bc7-8add-11ec-9a36-7294107304f8|parentrq%3Ae67f6ca217e0a9bd51753cddffeaaabc|iid%3A1

This one looks like a rigged bidding to move the market price. Go to the first listing and look at the bid pattern. The price went from $1,500 to $6,400 based on the back and forth of two bidders who have never won anything before. That resulted in the set price of $6,400. You could find the $6,400 price, and the bump isn’t too high from it, but the  secret is in the bidding pattern. I don’t know what Bagley’s art normally sells for, but depending upon comp’s, this may suggest not just piece-price rigging but market rigging (or unlikely, 2 involved, uneducated bidders who got way too heated in the bidding for their own good). I usually look at bid patterns. They can tell you a lot if you follow the bidders, and bidding times.

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On 2/11/2022 at 3:43 AM, Rick2you2 said:

This one looks like a rigged bidding to move the market price. Go to the first listing and look at the bid pattern. The price went from $1,500 to $6,400 based on the back and forth of two bidders who have never won anything before. That resulted in the set price of $6,400. You could find the $6,400 price, and the bump isn’t too high from it, but the  secret is in the bidding pattern. I don’t know what Bagley’s art normally sells for, but depending upon comp’s, this may suggest not just piece-price rigging but market rigging (or unlikely, 2 involved, uneducated bidders who got way too heated in the bidding for their own good). I usually look at bid patterns. They can tell you a lot if you follow the bidders, and bidding times.

 
I think all the bids over the $1500 bid are BS. Also, the piece sells on Feb. 8 then back up for sale with another seller on Feb 10….uh, okay, sure.
 
 
Highest Bidderm***2Feedback Score (0)
$6,400.00
31 Jan 2022 at 4:05:23pm PST
 
8***3Feedback Score (0)
$6,300.00
8 Feb 2022 at 11:37:37am PST
 
m***2Feedback Score (0)
$6,000.00
30 Jan 2022 at 5:54:07am PST
 
8***3Feedback Score (0)
$6,000.00
6 Feb 2022 at 1:46:06pm PST
 
8***3Feedback Score (0)
$5,750.00
31 Jan 2022 at 4:54:47pm PST
 
8***3Feedback Score (0)
$3,350.00
31 Jan 2022 at 4:54:16pm PST
 
a***8Feedback Score (1096)
$1,500.00
31 Jan 2022 at 8:23:10am PST
 
1***8Feedback Score (20)
$1,450.00
30 Jan 2022 at 5:27:47pm PST
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On 2/11/2022 at 8:20 AM, lobrac said:
 
I think all the bids over the $1500 bid are BS. Also, the piece sells on Feb. 8 then back up for sale with another seller on Feb 10….uh, okay, sure.
 
 
Highest Bidderm***2Feedback Score (0)
$6,400.00
31 Jan 2022 at 4:05:23pm PST

Dumb question, I assumed the censored usernames of bidders matched actual ones? I guess not.

m***2 wins the auction. New seller is bandofthehawk85 which I'd assumed would be shown as b***5

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On 2/11/2022 at 8:20 AM, lobrac said:
 
I think all the bids over the $1500 bid are BS. Also, the piece sells on Feb. 8 then back up for sale with another seller on Feb 10….uh, okay, sure.
 
 
Highest Bidderm***2Feedback Score (0)
$6,400.00
31 Jan 2022 at 4:05:23pm PST
 
8***3Feedback Score (0)
$6,300.00
8 Feb 2022 at 11:37:37am PST
 
m***2Feedback Score (0)
$6,000.00
30 Jan 2022 at 5:54:07am PST
 
8***3Feedback Score (0)
$6,000.00
6 Feb 2022 at 1:46:06pm PST
 
8***3Feedback Score (0)
$5,750.00
31 Jan 2022 at 4:54:47pm PST
 
8***3Feedback Score (0)
$3,350.00
31 Jan 2022 at 4:54:16pm PST
 
a***8Feedback Score (1096)
$1,500.00
31 Jan 2022 at 8:23:10am PST
 
1***8Feedback Score (20)
$1,450.00
30 Jan 2022 at 5:27:47pm PST

Exactly. Don’t forget, however, that this one was easy to spot. You don’t get the luxury of this detail on HA, Clink, etc.

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On 2/11/2022 at 4:54 AM, lobrac said:

Bagley ASM #374 title page “sold” on Feb. 8 for $6,400 on eBay. Thought I question the legitimacy of the sale since (1) feedback seller and (0) feedback “buyer.”

https://www.ebay.com/itm/353882842831?hash=item52650fa6cf%3Ag%3AnyMAAOSw7ZBh9fX8&nma=true&si=P0Ux18fRWKItf%2F%2FJe8WcIuXMsgU%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Now listed Feb. 10 for $8K OBO:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/194815656632?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D95ed09f295414ad1ae9155811e97b7be%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D353882842831%26itm%3D194815656632%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3Ae5113bc7-8add-11ec-9a36-7294107304f8|parentrq%3Ae67f6ca217e0a9bd51753cddffeaaabc|iid%3A1

See I think that title sells 3500-4500 in auction. But all these shenanigans hurt the perception of the piece. 

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On 2/11/2022 at 1:41 PM, zhamlau said:

See I think that title sells 3500-4500 in auction. But all these shenanigans hurt the perception of the piece. 

What are its comp’s? Anything less than 3-4 in some sort of orderly sense of increase would make me suspicious these days.

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On 2/11/2022 at 8:41 AM, Twanj said:

Dumb question, I assumed the censored usernames of bidders matched actual ones? I guess not.

m***2 wins the auction. New seller is bandofthehawk85 which I'd assumed would be shown as b***5

Fake identity. Nothing prevents a person from having 2.

Many years ago, the actual bidder's screen name would show up. That let me look up a bidder's past bidding history. From that, I could sometimes discern if it was a collector or dealer, and maybe go to their other sales listings and figure out what they dealt in. That let me know if I would be in real fight or not. If I figured it was a dealer, I knew I would eventually win because the dealer wouldn't go past a point where there was no room for profit. If a collector, was the collector specialized or not, and if not, chances are I could win without a major fight--unless the other bidder was a screw-up who didn't know value. The greater the number of wins told me how likely my predictions would follow the pattern. Damn that was helpful.

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On 2/11/2022 at 4:54 AM, lobrac said:

Bagley ASM #374 title page “sold” on Feb. 8 for $6,400 on eBay. Thought I question the legitimacy of the sale since (1) feedback seller and (0) feedback “buyer.”

https://www.ebay.com/itm/353882842831?hash=item52650fa6cf%3Ag%3AnyMAAOSw7ZBh9fX8&nma=true&si=P0Ux18fRWKItf%2F%2FJe8WcIuXMsgU%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Now listed Feb. 10 for $8K OBO:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/194815656632?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D95ed09f295414ad1ae9155811e97b7be%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D353882842831%26itm%3D194815656632%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3Ae5113bc7-8add-11ec-9a36-7294107304f8|parentrq%3Ae67f6ca217e0a9bd51753cddffeaaabc|iid%3A1

 

Now for sale on CAF $ 5,500.00

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