GACollectibles Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 5:03 PM, Bookery said: If I suddenly patented and began slabbing and grading vintage paperbacks Ooooooooo pleasepleassepleasepleaseplease Bookery 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgross.com Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 1:56 PM, Buzzetta said: No company is too big to fail. CGC is not even what I would consider a big company. imho when @blazingbob bob storms, gator, torpedo comics, harley, greg reece, ted, and 10 or more of the other big dealers that i either don't know, or am forgetting, all agree to no longer submit books to cgc, then, and only then, might things shift. since buyers do not want voldy slabs as much nor pay the same prices for them, it sounds like that's unlikely to happen. i know some dealers who are submitting far less to cgc. but that seems to be the extent of things. so we're just left with alot of complaining here, to ourselves, and the wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicmeta Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 4:23 PM, alexgross.com said: imho when @blazingbob bob storms, gator, torpedo comics, harley, greg reece, ted, and 10 or more of the other big dealers that i either don't know, or am forgetting, all agree to no longer submit books to cgc, then, and only then, might things shift. since buyers do not want voldy slabs as much nor pay the same prices for them, it sounds like that's unlikely to happen. i know some dealers who are submitting far less to cgc. but that seems to be the extent of things. so we're just left with alot of complaining here, to ourselves, and the wind. Yes and it's because "right now" CGC has all the leverage. NewWorldOrder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Buzzetta Posted January 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2022 (edited) On 1/11/2022 at 5:00 PM, arexcrooke said: True, but in this market it is the biggest company with all of the positives and negatives that are associated with being "The Industry Leader" So unless something happens that corrects the current market CGC will continue to be "The Industry Leader" I agree with you. I also consider what Bezos said (took me awhile to find the quote) when he proclaimed that one day, Amazon would fail and go bankrupt. Quote “If we start to focus on ourselves, instead of focusing on our customers, that will be the beginning of the end,” he said. “We have to try and delay that day for as long as possible.” - Bezos on Amazon's inevitable failure. I agree with everything you have said about CBCS. The rate of return, the turnaround times, the consistency of grading, all of it. Eventually though I do believe that there will be too many newton rings, too many shards of plastic in holders, too many ill fitting holders, too many books damaged post grading that say 9.8 but the encapsulation room damaged them down to 7.5's... you get the idea. Eventually people are going to tire of it. There are board members here that write me with a "what should I do" message. This is fine btw as I remember reaching out to several OG's seeking advice when I was new. It raises an eyebrow when I see from them that CGC will increase the grading fee on a perceived grade for a book then grade it as say a 9.8 only to damage it once they encapsulate by folding a page over and then come up with every excuse why they should not pay out at the rate they assigned. There are too many stories on facebook, instagram, and here all with different books and customers. Eventually the boat will tip. Again, I agree with you that it is not anytime soon. However, a company cannot continue being this short sighted without consequence. Edited January 11, 2022 by Buzzetta Cosmic_Shel, Beige, onlyweaknesskryptonite and 13 others 15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Artboy99 Posted January 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 11:23 AM, Ryan. said: It's 5 degrees here and the UPS guy that just dropped off my latest CGC package was wearing shorts. CGC should strongly reconsider dropping UPS. At this stage I actually don't care what the delivery driver is wearing because it would mean my book was actually shipped to me! Cat, Mystafo, Rockyjo3 and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Dositheus Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 And a dealer locator with logos! Ooo la la! I guess if the math supports the 15% discount versus the membership fee most will continue contributing to the short term revenue growth of this fine company. William-James88 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzetta Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 5:23 PM, alexgross.com said: imho when @blazingbob bob storms, gator, torpedo comics, harley, greg reece, ted, and 10 or more of the other big dealers that i either don't know, or am forgetting, all agree to no longer submit books to cgc, then, and only then, might things shift. since buyers do not want voldy slabs as much nor pay the same prices for them, it sounds like that's unlikely to happen. i know some dealers who are submitting far less to cgc. but that seems to be the extent of things. so we're just left with alot of complaining here, to ourselves, and the wind. In the last two cons that I went to I have remarked that I have started to see a growing percentage of books that are normally graded being offered and sold raw. While people are not handing money over to Voldy, they are, as @Bookery stated grading themselves and selling them at a slight discount compared to a graded copy. Tony S, Larryw7, alexgross.com and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzetta Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 5:32 PM, Artboy99 said: At this stage I actually don't care what the delivery driver is wearing because it would mean my book was actually shipped to me! No, you're never gonna get it. Artboy99, CycleGirl, greggy and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post october Posted January 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2022 I have gone from hundreds of books a year sent to CGC, to dozens, to zero in 2021. I don't see that changing anytime soon with turnaround times and fees in a breakneck race to see which can end up worse. Point Five, CycleGirl, Larryw7 and 6 others 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BEAUMONTS Posted January 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 10:28 AM, D2 said: No, they only produce your merchandise. And they do sell the book. People that buy a CGC graded book, wanted a CGC graded book. They didn’t want the book because YOU sold it to them. All hail the coveted dealer. What you should strive for is a point. It makes it so much more interesting for people reading this thread. theCapraAegagrus, Beige, awakeintheashes and 2 others 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William-James88 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 5:17 PM, alexgross.com said: if you've ever bought tickets online to anything, a concert, a comic con, a comedy show, you may recall that at the verrrry end of the checkout process, right after you enter your payment info, is the little line item before the total called SERVICE FEE. he was joking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transplant Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 5:38 PM, BEAUMONTS said: What you should strive for is a point. It makes it so much more interesting for people reading this thread. That might be too much to expect. Larryw7 and MyNameIsLegion 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sigur Ros Posted January 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 12, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 8:15 AM, D2 said: I hope a bunch of you dealers jump ship. This way more slots will open up for new guys hungry and excited for the opportunity to be a part of a huge connection. People that leave would regret it, and clearly need the lesson. Your angry fanboyism aside... I can say after I left (due to the non-stop QC issues, not price increase(s) or TaTs)...I have never once regretted a thing. More accurate, consistent grading... better cases (by far)... free grader notes (actually free, not the ones CGC offers... if they're even available). But you're right... I definitely learned a lesson. Being the first does not make one the best. Beige, Prince Namor, WolverineX and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electricprune Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 On 1/10/2022 at 10:07 PM, greggy said: He was happy one year at Little Italy at NYCC when they only charged him for 7 beers when he actually had 8. That was Drink 7 Beers Get The 8th Free Night. Don’t think you were at that restaurant by mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigur Ros Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 11:22 AM, buttock said: I'm not a CGC dealer, but I'm surprised that they weren't already charging for this service. What service though? Having an authorized dealer costs CGC nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigur Ros Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 11:50 AM, BigLeagueCHEW said: If you think moving to CBCS is a good move, try out handling a slab. I recently returned one I bought on eBay as it was bowing backwards and each time I handled it several stress creases were present on the BC. Even the older CGC holders are stronger then theirs. Might want to avoid. You may literally the only person on Earth saying that. Here's one of the many saying otherwise... https://youtu.be/Cx3pQTYnyzY?t=478 Larryw7, Beige and Timely 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigur Ros Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 2:26 PM, THE_BEYONDER said: My local shop completely gave up on submitting books for others. Not even close to worth the headache. Ditto. Too many calls and complaints about turnaround times and then the number of returns to fix bad cases, incorrect labels, etc, etc, etc, etc. He said it's just too much of a headache. Tony S 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post THE_BEYONDER Posted January 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 12, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 7:28 PM, Sigur Ros said: Ditto. Too many calls and complaints about turnaround times and then the number of returns to fix bad cases, incorrect labels, etc, etc, etc, etc. He said it's just too much of a headache. Yup Last thing I’d want to be right now is the middleman between customers and CGC Bookery, Cat, Beige and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 6:32 PM, THE_BEYONDER said: Yup Last thing I’d want to be right now is the middleman between customers and CGC But now you get to pay for it! Tony S and Buzzetta 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_BEYONDER Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 7:34 PM, Lazyboy said: But now you get to pay for it! Tony S and Lazyboy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
