Modern Grading Is Broken...Im done. 6 6

[theCapraAegagrus]

On 8/27/2022 at 3:38 PM, Upgrayedd2 said:

And (I am a broken record on this topic), all grading companies must be required to submit grader notes. There is no valid argument for anything below a 9.8. 

That's incorrect. You've already been informed of the proper counter-argument.

[MAR1979]

On 8/28/2022 at 11:25 AM, shadroch said:

A great part of college,for me, was establishing a circle of lifelong friends. Not to be snobbish but I strongly suspect the friends and connections made at the LSDOFP will serve one better than the friends made at Great Falls.  Do you think a young man might benefit more from joining a fraternity/secret society like Skull and Bones at Yale than he would joining Omega Psi Delta at Suffolk Community?  

The school you attend is every bit, if not more important , than what you learn there. Anyone who thinks college is just four years of your life  is very mistaken. 

"It's not what you know, it's who you know"

[fastballspecial]

On 8/27/2022 at 11:33 AM, Dr. Balls said:

I won’t speak for CGC, but this is pretty much the current state of everything everywhere. I am an employer and can tell you that we experience this, and so does every other employer I speak with across many different kinds of employment.

I have zero doubt that they are experiencing the same problems trying to add barely-trainable employees to an already-struggling workforce that is buried with work.

At the risk of sounding like a 49-year old fogey, I will say here what I say to everyone I talk to who complains about this problem:

”It’s the millennials world now - this is how they want it to run. We just live in it.”

I understand this completely as I train new employees. Those that show up for work.

Here is the thing that does bother me. Corporate profits are up WAY up because of the labor shortage. 
If you look at labor costs before Covid and after Covid its staggering how much profit they are now 
pulling in with labor shortages. I was shocked by the difference. 

[buttock]

On 8/29/2022 at 5:24 PM, Mr. Zipper said:

Pure generalization, but here goes...

Gen X here.

We came out of college expecting to have to work a lousy low level jobs and slowly work you way up. It was called "paying your dues." I had my share of awful jobs with tyrannical bosses with low pay. I had to have apartment roommates to make ends meet. I had basic cable, a wall phone, a used car and a lot of pasta with Ragu sauce. But, I worked hard and eventually rose above and started landing decent jobs.

Today, I work with and supervise millennials including college interns. Generally speaking we hire bright and ambitious people. I have learned from them and hopefully they have leaned a thing or two from me. That said, they do seem to have higher expectations coming out of college. They do not want to get their hands dirty and there is no such thing as "paying your dues." They expect to walk out of college and land a $100k+ job with an office. They want all the flashy toys pronto and Grubhub every night. 

In all fairness, the cost of college is absolutely ridiculous these days as I am learning with my teenage daughter. They need to find and fix the root of the problem: the cost of college and high interest loans. Why are we still buying hard copy  textbooks for $1000 a semester? It's a racket. Gimmick giveaways don't fix anything, but just sets an expectation there will be another one down the road.

Yup.  I busted my hump for 18 years after HS getting training, adding debt, then working for less than minimum wage.  I drove clunkers the whole time hoping that I could get to and fro.  Lived in cheap housing, skimped on frills, pulled more overnight shifts than I ever thought I could survive.  I watched my friends who graduated college get good paying jobs with retirement benefits while I just got more and more debt.  Now I'm making good money and being responsible with it, but apparently I'm "greedy".  But 21 year olds want to be able to buy a house, drive a BMW, and travel to Ibiza every few months right after graduation.  

[MetalPSI]

On 8/30/2022 at 10:37 AM, theCapraAegagrus said:

X boomers enable X millennials, just like Y millennials push-back along with Y boomers.

I think it simply took too long for millennials to realize how worthless droves of our generation really are. In our 20's, we thought it was cool to 'take it easy' and live with your parents for awhile, but once you hit your 30's and nothing has changed we start to realize that these people are leeches of societal benefits without providing any benefit to society themselves.

A conversation for another time, but just know that most of us aren't as useless as hasty generalizations may make us seem.

Naw, everyone is useless

[troydivision1]

On 8/30/2022 at 11:58 AM, fastballspecial said:

I understand this completely as I train new employees. Those that show up for work.

Here is the thing that does bother me. Corporate profits are up WAY up because of the labor shortage. 
If you look at labor costs before Covid and after Covid its staggering how much profit they are now 
pulling in with labor shortages. I was shocked by the difference. 

AND since everything is driven on a corporate level by QoQ and YoY performance the labor 'shortage' (aka underpay / overwork) will continue until everyone is replaced by automation.
Everything begins and ends with the stock price...

[troydivision1]

On 8/30/2022 at 12:34 PM, buttock said:

Yup.  I busted my hump for 18 years after HS getting training, adding debt, then working for less than minimum wage.  I drove clunkers the whole time hoping that I could get to and fro.  Lived in cheap housing, skimped on frills, pulled more overnight shifts than I ever thought I could survive.  I watched my friends who graduated college get good paying jobs with retirement benefits while I just got more and more debt.  Now I'm making good money and being responsible with it, but apparently I'm "greedy".  But 21 year olds want to be able to buy a house, drive a BMW, and travel to Ibiza every few months right after graduation.  

Good point.
I want to provide another context to this discussion.
Those newly entering the job field kids most likely saw first-hand family or friends loose their home in 2009.
Or saw their parents loose their life savings to the financial crisis.
Or lost someone to a pandemic.
Don't forget about the climate crisis that they will have to live through as a result of decades (before they were born) from corporate and personal pollution.

If you've seen that 'even if you play it safe or by the rules' and everything can still be taken away at the end...why not choose to 'enjoy life to the fullest whilst your young'.
Isn't that what every older person in life has said to someone young whenever they complained about things having to do with growing up.

Edited August 30, 2022 by Troy.Division

[buttock]

On 8/30/2022 at 11:30 AM, Troy.Division said:

Good point.
I want to provide another context to this discussion.
Those newly entering the job field kids most likely saw first-hand family or friends loose their home in 2009.
Or saw their parents loose their life savings to the financial crisis.
Or lost someone to a pandemic.
Don't forget about the climate crisis that they will have to live through as a result of decades (before they were born) from corporate and personal pollution.

If you've seen that 'even if you play it safe or by the rules' and everything can still be taken away at the end...why not choose to 'enjoy life to the fullest whilst your young'.
Isn't that what every older person in life has said to someone young whenever they complained about things having to do with growing up.

Sure.  I was once young and incredibly stupid.  But I never asked someone to fund my stupidity, and I accepted the consequences of my stupidity as my own.  

[F For Fake]

On 8/29/2022 at 9:41 PM, Troy.Division said:

Full support 'quiet quitting' / 'doing the bare minimum' at any job.
When (if) any wage increase is capped at 3%-5% per year there is no reason to go above and beyond.
If anything 2008 and COVID (and the current inflation / upcoming economic reset) has shown young adults that work is no worth it.

Your job / company will not be at your funeral.
Your role will be posted online before you are cremated / buried.

This is what I say all of the time. I can understand that there are some fortunate people who are in the "love what you do and you'll never work a minute in your life" club, and hey, good for them. If your passion coincided  with an ability to earn a living, that's great.

For the overwhelming majority of us, we're marking time until we get to leave. I've been with this organization for 20 years. I backed into the job without any intention of making it a career, and inertia (or rather, a decent pension and benefits package) has kept me here. And it's fine. There are times when I was underpaid, and currently I'm probably overpaid, relative to the work I do.

That being said, it's just a job, it's not my life. Our employer does not care about us, and the world will keep on moving when we're gone. About a month ago, one of the ladies in the office next to mine passed away. She was probably my age, maybe even a little younger. After she died, there was an email circulated with the details of her funeral, and that was that. No one here discussed her, there was no meeting or attempt to bring the group together to talk about her, or our feelings. She was just here, and then she was gone, and the next week, her name plate was no longer on her door. Her job is up, and in a few weeks someone else will be in that desk.

And that's how it is. So that's why I'm not living for my job. When I'm here, I'll do my best for you, for those 8 hours. But I'm not taking it home with me, and I'm thinking about this place when I'm not here, because trust me, no one will be thinking about me when I'm gone.

As for how this relates to grading, it doesn't. Sorry! Oops!

[Lord Gemini]

On 8/30/2022 at 11:34 AM, buttock said:

Yup.  I busted my hump for 18 years after HS getting training, adding debt, then working for less than minimum wage.  I drove clunkers the whole time hoping that I could get to and fro.  Lived in cheap housing, skimped on frills, pulled more overnight shifts than I ever thought I could survive.  I watched my friends who graduated college get good paying jobs with retirement benefits while I just got more and more debt.  Now I'm making good money and being responsible with it, but apparently I'm "greedy".  But 21 year olds want to be able to buy a house, drive a BMW, and travel to Ibiza every few months right after graduation.  

Gen X here, and that's a ridiculous generalization of 21-year-olds these days. Oh, and I don't belong to the "I suffered, so everyone should suffer" camp of whiners either.

[F For Fake]

On 8/30/2022 at 3:04 PM, Lord Gemini said:

Gen X here, and that's a ridiculous generalization of 21-year-olds these days. Oh, and I don't belong to the "I suffered, so everyone should suffer" camp of whiners either.

I'm also a Gen Xer, and while I've worked with my share of entitled Millenials (and younger), I've worked with even more shiftless Boomers.  My sweeping generalizations about the generations would be that the younger folks tend to think that their feelings should matter and be taken into consideration (they shouldn't. Do your job.), whereas with the older employees feel like they should be deferred to simply because they're older (most of them don't know what they're doing either. Do your job.) I've heard younger employees complain about the fact that their input isn't being considered, whereas I've heard older employees complain about having to pretty much anything at all. 

(Of course, as a Gen Xer, I'm keeping the whole thing running single-handedly. )

And course, I know plenty from both groups of which NONE of that is true. That's the thing about generalizations: they're BS.

[Dr. Love]

On 8/30/2022 at 9:34 AM, buttock said:

But 21 year olds want to be able to live somewhere, be driven, and follow someone who travels to Ibiza every few months.  

You will own nothing. And you will be happy.

"Welcome to the year 2030. Welcome to my city - or should I say, "our city." I don't own anything. I don't own a car. I don't own a house. I don't own any appliances or any clothes.

It might seem odd to you, but it makes perfect sense for us in this city. Everything you considered a product, has now become a service. We have access to transportation, accommodation, food and all the things we need in our daily lives. One by one all these things became free, so it ended up not making sense for us to own much.

Once in a while I get annoyed about the fact that I have no real privacy. Nowhere I can go and not be registered. I know that, somewhere, everything I do, think and dream of is recorded. I just hope that nobody will use it against me.

All in all, it is a good life." 

[Prince Namor]

I've been hiring 18-25 year olds for 35 years. I hire Gen-Z'ers now on a weekly basis. The worst generation ever. Lazy, Entitled, Know-it-alls. Each and every one of them can't spend 5 minutes without looking at their phone. 

Cost of living is tougher now? Totally agree. Cost of college is higher now? I agree. 

But I did most of it with a wife and a kid 30 years ago, trying to finish college, working 3 jobs, plus buying and selling comics, whatever I had to do. Most of these Gen-Z'ers can't even TRY to do it on their own. 

They think they deserve it NOW. Just because. 

 

Typical work conversation:

Gen-Z'er: Why were my hours cut?

HR: You call out at least one shift a week.

Gen-Z'er: What do you mean? I NEVER miss. I NEVER call out. 

HR: I can show you. Here last week, you called out on Saturday...

Gen-Z'er: I couldn't find a babysitter.

HR: So you called out...

Gen-Z'er: I couldn't help it!!!

HR: Two weeks ago, you didn't show up for your shift Thursday...

Gen-Z'er: My car broke down!!!

HR: So... you called out....

Gen-Z'er: What am I supposed to do?

HR: Look... you're only showing up 3 shifts a week. So instead of scheduling you for 4, we've scheduled you for 3. That's what you're working anyway...

Gen-Z'er: But if I don't get 4 shifts a week, I'm not going to make enough money!

HR: You haven't worked four shifts in a week in over 3 months...

Gen-Z'er: Sasha always calls out!

HR: What does that have to do with YOUR schedule?

Gen-Z'er: Why does she get away with it and I don't?

HR: She doesn't. We've taken her off the schedule completely.

Gen-Z'er: It's just not fair.

HR: What's not fair? You haven't worked four shifts in a week in over 3 months... this just makes the schedule what it will turn out to be any way....

 

This will go round and round, until finally its accepted - we're only scheduling you 3 shifts a week. And the very next week? Calls out for one of those shifts. 

 

Anyone who DOES ask... and generally speaking it'll be someone OTHER than a Gen-Z'er, because they can't seem to think that far ahead... but anyone who DOES ask, "What would be a good major to go for in college?" I always say, "Mental Health Professional."

When they ask WHY... I say, "Because this generation and all who follow it will be the most delusional, heavily advertised to, heavily propagandized to, clueless generation ever. And sooner or later, the fall out from that will lead to a LOT of mental health work."

I have plenty of millennials who have succeeded for me or worked AND went to nursing school or took online classes - got degrees, improved their station in life. i.e. busted their butt to get ahead in a time when its tougher than ever before.

Gen-Z'ers? None yet. None even close. 

None. Even. Close. 

Edited August 30, 2022 by Prince Namor

[buttock]

On 8/30/2022 at 2:04 PM, Dr. Love said:

You will own nothing. And you will be happy.

"Welcome to the year 2030. Welcome to my city - or should I say, "our city." I don't own anything. I don't own a car. I don't own a house. I don't own any appliances or any clothes.

It might seem odd to you, but it makes perfect sense for us in this city. Everything you considered a product, has now become a service. We have access to transportation, accommodation, food and all the things we need in our daily lives. One by one all these things became free, so it ended up not making sense for us to own much.

Once in a while I get annoyed about the fact that I have no real privacy. Nowhere I can go and not be registered. I know that, somewhere, everything I do, think and dream of is recorded. I just hope that nobody will use it against me.

All in all, it is a good life." 

And you eat bugs.  

[Lord Gemini]

On 8/30/2022 at 3:09 PM, Prince Namor said:

I've been hiring 18-25 year olds for 35 years. I hire Gen-Z'ers now on a weekly basis. The worst generation ever. Lazy, Entitled, Know-it-alls. Each and every one of them can't spend 5 minutes without looking at their phone. 

Cost of living is tougher now? Totally agree. Cost of college is higher now? I agree. 

But I did most of it with a wife and a kid 30 years ago, trying to finish college, working 3 jobs, plus buying and selling comics, whatever I had to do. Most of these Gen-Z'ers can't even TRY to do it on their own. 

They think they deserve it NOW. Just because. 

 

Typical work conversation:

Gen-Z'er: Why were my hours cut?

HR: You call out at least one shift a week.

Gen-Z'er: What do you mean? I NEVER miss. I NEVER call out. 

HR: I can show you. Here last week, you called out on Saturday...

Gen-Z'er: I couldn't find a babysitter.

HR: So you called out...

Gen-Z'er: I couldn't help it!!!

HR: Two weeks ago, you didn't show up for your shift Thursday...

Gen-Z'er: My car broke down!!!

HR: So... you called out....

Gen-Z'er: What am I supposed to do?

HR: Look... you're only showing up 3 shifts a week. So instead of scheduling you for 4, we've scheduled you for 3. That's what you're working anyway...

Gen-Z'er: But if I don't get 4 shifts a week, I'm not going to make enough money!

HR: You haven't worked four shifts in a week in over 3 months...

Gen-Z'er: Sasha always calls out!

HR: What does that have to do with YOUR schedule?

Gen-Z'er: Why does she get away with it and I don't?

HR: She doesn't. We've taken her off the schedule completely.

Gen-Z'er: It's just not fair.

HR: What's not fair? You haven't worked four shifts in a week in over 3 months... this just makes the schedule what it will turn out to be any way....

 

This will go round and round, until finally its accepted - we're only scheduling you 3 shifts a week. And the very next week? Calls out for one of those shifts. 

 

Anyone who DOES ask... and generally speaking it'll be someone OTHER than a Gen-Z'er, because they can't seem to think that far ahead... but anyone who DOES ask, "What would be a good major to go for in college?" I always say, "Mental Health Professional."

When they ask WHY... I say, "Because this generation and all who follow it will be the most delusional, heavily advertised to, heavily propagandized to, clueless generation ever. And sooner or later, the fall out from that will lead to a LOT of mental health work. 

I have plenty of millennials who succeeded for me or worked AND went too nursing school or took online classes got degrees, improved their station in life. i.e. busted their butt to get ahead in a time when its tougher than ever before.

Gen-Z'ers? None yet. None even close. 

Oh please. I’ve seen far more clueless individuals in the older generations. I don’t believe your account is not biased and skewed for a second.

Edited August 30, 2022 by Lord Gemini

[Prince Namor]

On 8/30/2022 at 3:39 PM, F For Fake said:

I'm also a Gen Xer, and while I've worked with my share of entitled Millenials (and younger), I've worked with even more shiftless Boomers.  My sweeping generalizations about the generations would be that the younger folks tend to think that their feelings should matter and be taken into consideration (they shouldn't. Do your job.), whereas with the older employees feel like they should be deferred to simply because they're older

i.e. Boomers who are lazy at least UNDERSTAND that they're a lazy POS, whereas the younger generation thinks they're entitled to have everything without working for it. 

[Prince Namor]

On 8/30/2022 at 4:14 PM, Lord Gemini said:

Oh please. I’ve seen far more clueless individuals in the older generations.

I've hired 18-25 year olds for 35 years. 

What's your criteria based on?

On 8/30/2022 at 4:14 PM, Lord Gemini said:

I don’t believe your account is not biased and skewed for a second.

I have no reason to skew it, otherwise I'd pick on millennials too.

To me, it doesn't matter WHO you are. Do the job. Get respect. 

Gen-Zers? Haven't seen it. 

[Jaylam]

On 8/30/2022 at 4:16 PM, Prince Namor said:

i.e. Boomers who are lazy at least UNDERSTAND that they're a lazy POS, whereas the younger generation thinks they're entitled to have everything without working for it. 

We have entire swaths of people across all generations who have been conditioned to think if they don't get what they want or can't succeed, then they must be a victim of (insert "ism" here) and are so thus entitled because of their victimhood regardless of how their own choices and efforts have affected their outcome. 

[Lord Gemini]

On 8/30/2022 at 3:21 PM, Prince Namor said:

I've hired 18-25 year olds for 35 years. 

What's your criteria based on?

I have no reason to skew it, otherwise I'd pick on millennials too.

To me, it doesn't matter WHO you are. Do the job. Get respect. 

Gen-Zers? Haven't seen it. 

Your whole post reads like the stereotypical ramblings of an entitled boomer. Frankly, I don’t believe a word you say, and I would understand why people don’t care about your respect.

Edited August 30, 2022 by Lord Gemini

[Prince Namor]

On 8/30/2022 at 4:23 PM, Jaylam said:

We have entire swaths of people across all generations who have been conditioned to think if they don't get what they want or can't succeed, then they must be a victim of (insert "ism" here) and are so thus entitled because of their victimhood regardless of how their own choices and efforts have affected their outcome. 

Yeah, the thought process presented here is NOT: GenZers suck - everyone else doesn't. 

There are lazy people in all groups.

As a whole, based on the ones I'VE worked with, this generation is a tragic misstep in the wrong direction.