ASM #252 CGC 9.8 Record Sale - something fishy going on? - Holder Tampering Incident confirmed by CGC 50 50

[paqart]

I think I just bought a comic with a tampered holder, possibly with a switched comic inside. I don't think it is related to the ZaneGlor incident, but I am posting here as an example of holder tampering. The case has obviously been opened and the label looks screwy. Here are some (bad) photos. I'll take better ones later. The registration number matches, but there isn't a photo, so that doesn't tell me anything.

Edited April 25 by paqart

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 4/25/2024 at 6:00 PM, paqart said:

I think I just bought a comic with a tampered holder, possibly with a switched comic inside. I don't think it is related to the ZaneGlor incident, but I am posting here as an example of holder tampering. The case has obviously been opened and the label looks screwy. Here are some (bad) photos. I'll take better ones later. The registration number matches, but there isn't a photo, so that doesn't tell me anything.

That is normal for an older cases!

That's the Good News!

A little surprised you've never bought an older case, or more surprised I should say.

 

Edited April 25 by ADAMANTIUM

[ADAMANTIUM]

For comparison...

I just discovered lighting features on my tablet for dimmer viewing what a difference, but makes this seem an ill comparison, I'd rather paqart have proof, but best "I" can do 😂 

Strength in numbers, maybe others will chime in!

Edited April 25 by ADAMANTIUM

[ADAMANTIUM]

I'm also not seeing "obvious signs of tampering"

[paqart]

On 4/25/2024 at 7:42 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:

I'm also not seeing "obvious signs of tampering"

The case is literally open on the bottom left corner. The entire comic can be slipped out.

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 4/25/2024 at 6:48 PM, paqart said:

The case is literally open on the bottom left corner. The entire comic can be slipped out.

Then please define "open"  all that I see is perfectly normal. If the case is cracked is a different story, but everything still looks right, and "could be" just a damaged normal case in need of reholdering.

 

Older slabs are not sealed on the sides, and ARE sealed basically only the four post corners, and you have no picture of the corner separated. Be careful and don't pop the corner just trying to get a picture.

 

[paqart]

On 4/25/2024 at 7:56 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:

Then please define "open"  all that I see is perfectly normal. If the case is cracked is a different story, but everything still looks right, and "could be" just a damaged normal case in need of reholdering.

 

Older slabs are not sealed on the sides, and ARE sealed basically only the four post corners, and you have no picture of the corner separated. Be careful and don't pop the corner just trying to get a picture.

 

The corner is separated.

[paqart]

On 4/25/2024 at 7:56 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:

Then please define "open"  all that I see is perfectly normal. If the case is cracked is a different story, but everything still looks right, and "could be" just a damaged normal case in need of reholdering.

 

Older slabs are not sealed on the sides, and ARE sealed basically only the four post corners, and you have no picture of the corner separated. Be careful and don't pop the corner just trying to get a picture.

 

I'm going to use my good camera to get a picture of this. It's basically a microscope. It should be able to do it. When I picked up the slab out of the box, the whole corner opened by about a quarter inch. At rest, it looks like this.

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 4/25/2024 at 7:05 PM, paqart said:

I'm going to use my good camera to get a picture of this. It's basically a microscope. It should be able to do it. When I picked up the slab out of the box, the whole corner opened by about a quarter inch. At rest, it looks like this.

I believe you, however that doesn't mean tampering all the same, so no worries.

Just means an older case that needs reholdering, as everything else checks out.

Edited April 26 by ADAMANTIUM

[paqart]

On 4/25/2024 at 8:10 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:

I believe you, however that doesn't mean tampering all the same, so no worries.

Just means an older case that needs reholdering, as everything else checks out.

I see. I've never seen a case like this before. I took my better shots just now, here they are. You can see that it would be easy to slip the comic out. At least, I think you can see it in the photo where the strip of paper is slipped in from the corner.

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Paqart is now in the market for a Captain Marvel Aventures #51 in a 5-6 range >.>

[paqart]

On 4/26/2024 at 12:32 AM, Ccccccccccccc said:

Paqart is now in the market for a Captain Marvel Aventures #51 in a 5-6 range >.>

No I'm not, but thanks for trying to lend a hand.

[Pitboss]

Looks just fine to me. I prefer older slabs myself so I have tons of them. Maybe corner popped in transit?

[paqart]

On 4/26/2024 at 1:13 AM, Pitboss said:

Looks just fine to me. I prefer older slabs myself so I have tons of them. Maybe corner popped in transit?

Not a chance. This was the best packing job I've ever seen. And if you think it looks fine, maybe you should stop buying pre-opened slabs. I have over 100, and every one of them is sealed tight. This one could lose the comic if picked up by the top two corners.

[Pitboss]

On 4/26/2024 at 2:37 AM, paqart said:

Not a chance. This was the best packing job I've ever seen. And if you think it looks fine, maybe you should stop buying pre-opened slabs. I have over 100, and every one of them is sealed tight. This one could lose the comic if picked up by the top two corners.

I was speaking of the slab itself looking fine,the label on top (older slabs) is normal. Wavy inner labels is fairly normal. If you're not happy return it or send to CGC for inspection.

Edited April 26 by Pitboss
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[CGC Mike]

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[ADAMANTIUM]

On 4/26/2024 at 2:55 AM, Pitboss said:

I was speaking of the slab itself looking fine,the label on top (older slabs) is normal. Wavy inner labels is fairly normal. If you're not happy return it or send to CGC for inspection.

We still have yet to see a picture of the popped corner. 

Again @paqart if that's all it does is being open to slide something under? That is normal. Even the newer new cases were like that but not as severe, and upon inception. You used to be able to slide paper or a torn backing board between to reduce or eliminate newton rings.

I would Google a video of cracking a 2nd generation slab, as if you had cracked one open before then you'd know what it looks and feels like.

I still don't doubt you but there is no photographic proof that a corner has popped.

@Pitboss I forget but was the label attached to the inner mylar with these slabs? I see his label could be warped,  which could be to storing conditions or in transit? I still thought the label was sealed in the mylar with the comic.

All that is fact based, but to further say, I don't see you sneaking the comic out and replacing it with just "that" photographic proof of "case 'open'ness".

 

Edited April 26 by ADAMANTIUM

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 4/25/2024 at 11:13 PM, paqart said:

I see. I've never seen a case like this before. I took my better shots just now, here they are. You can see that it would be easy to slip the comic out. At least, I think you can see it in the photo where the strip of paper is slipped in from the corner.

Again the paper sliding through is normal. The last picture just shows a scratched edge and nothing out of the ordinary.

If picked up by two corners? So you bothered to take a pic but not with the paper over the corner nor pulled apart to show it's popped?

I really think you need to buy cheap first and second edition slabs to crack open to get a feel for it.

You wouldn't be able to still open the slab enough to exchange mylar sleeved books without major damage to the book. And you wouldn't be able to reseal that slab well enough to fool cgc if it were were really broke. 

Because they were tamper evident not tamper proof.

 

[shadroch]

A dishonest seller doesn't have to fool the CGC, just the general public.

[LordRahl]

On 4/26/2024 at 12:37 AM, paqart said:

Not a chance. This was the best packing job I've ever seen. And if you think it looks fine, maybe you should stop buying pre-opened slabs. I have over 100, and every one of them is sealed tight. This one could lose the comic if picked up by the top two corners.

Lol. OK, well all you're showing us is a very thin piece of paper slipped through... which as others have said is normal. It's one thing to slide in a single piece of paper and an entirely different thing to slide in or out a 1/4" thick book in an inner well. So, go ahead and slide the book half way out and take a pic of that if as you say the comic will slide out if picked up by the top two corners. BTW, I'm in the camp that this slab doesn't look tampered with and everything you've taken pictures of to show that it is, is normal. Like the label being on the outside... ummm... they were ALL on the outside at that point in CGC's life.