Are prices still climbing or have they eased up a bit??? 43 43

[october]

On 4/5/2023 at 9:52 AM, DC# said:

Another story from last week's Heritage auction.   Two copies of TOS #39 in 8.0.   One copy with bright reds, double quotes, full $0.12, blue under-table, and OW/W went for $5k more than the 8.0 with more faded red, no blue, no double quotes, and CR/OW pages.   ($38.4k vs $33.6k)

 

The gap should be bigger. This is the only hobby where tons of people inexplicably take the label over the book itself. That second 8.0 is a dog.

[WNY]

On 4/5/2023 at 10:52 AM, DC# said:

Another story from last week's Heritage auction.   Two copies of TOS #39 in 8.0.   One copy with bright reds, double quotes, full $0.12, blue under-table, and OW/W went for $5k more than the 8.0 with more faded red, no blue, no double quotes, and CR/OW pages.   ($38.4k vs $33.6k)

The peak for this book was a single sale in 2021 of $89.5k (a 8.5 went for $99k in the same year).   2022 average was $44.6k (2 sales) - so the nicer book was down 15% from 2022 while the other down 25%.   

 

I'd argue that the spread should be bigger than $5K!

I don't like being negative so won't say anything about the less appealing one, but that nice 8.0 is a really, really awesome looking book!!! That seems to be a very reasonable premium for all the attributes you cited @DC#!

[drbanner]

Wow, looks like I'm in the minority here but I much prefer the centering on the 2nd copy as the top edge of that "nicer" copy looks cut too close for comfort and the bottom edge has that black art border(?) line. Those 2 characteristics make it look off-center on it's own merit, whereas you would never know the other one was off-center as it looks whole and complete on it's own as-is.

The fading is pretty bad on the better-centered copy though which is probably worth $5K alone (although who knows how much the color on the 1st copy is over-saturated like so many Heritage books).

Edited April 5, 2023 by drbanner

[comicginger1789]

On 3/31/2023 at 2:49 AM, lou_fine said:

I believe it's pretty common knowledge that the Promise Collection was completely overhyped by the gang at Heritage and helped along by questionable grading on some of the books that nobody save for Ritter (with only two successful upgrades out of 116 Promise retreads to date so far) even dares to resubmit the Promise books for an upgrade or to play the CPR game with these books.  

Enough of the bidders brought into the hype to the point that they completely overpaid for the books during their first run, but clearly the reputational damage and negative sentiment attached to the Promise books is quite apparent and hard to overcome, save for a few of the in-demand and still must have books.  

A lot of people were huffing the comic highs at the time...reality has come back a bit and now they are taking the L.

[Brock]

On 4/5/2023 at 10:59 AM, october said:

The gap should be bigger.

Absolutely... in addition to the wrap and colour issues already raised, the second copy has lower page quality, and a stamp on the cover.

[Tec-Tac-Toe]

On 4/5/2023 at 1:08 PM, comicginger1789 said:

A lot of people were huffing the comic highs at the time...reality has come back a bit and now they are taking the L.

I have not visited the WWC site, if its the Ritter I'm thinking about, in a long while due to too much $$$ and was unaware about its CPR "game."

Edit: I just visited WWC. Four pages of the Promise (You Nothing) Collection. Yowza!

Edited April 5, 2023 by Tec-Tac-Toe
WWC visited.

[Tec-Tac-Toe]

On 4/5/2023 at 1:24 PM, THE_BEYONDER said:

How’s the grading of the Fantast collection looking thus far?  

I wonder how the grading of the Fantast collection is looking.

"Fantastic"???

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 4/5/2023 at 1:31 PM, Tec-Tac-Toe said:

"Fantastic"???

[Tec-Tac-Toe]

My joke fell flatter than a halibut . I meant the grading is going "fantastic"??? My sincere apologies.

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 4/5/2023 at 1:35 PM, Tec-Tac-Toe said:

My joke fell flatter than a halibut . I meant the grading is going "fantastic"??? My sincere apologies.

[mjoeyoung]

On 4/5/2023 at 11:33 AM, THE_BEYONDER said:

Could this label be any uglier?   This looks like something I made in Print Shop in 1995.  The label is not supposed to distract from the book!  Who named this collection?  Have there been any Fatass Collection jokes yet?  Ugh,  I'm looking forward to ads for the next DC or Marvel movie on the labels next. 

[jimjum12]

On 4/5/2023 at 10:59 AM, october said:

The gap should be bigger. This is the only hobby where tons of people inexplicably take the label over the book itself. That second 8.0 is a dog.

The first copy that sold for more has a moderate mis-cut (trapezoidal) .... I pass on those typically. To me , neither copy is a solid benchmark. GOD BLESS .... 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)

Edited April 6, 2023 by jimjum12

[Dave2739]

On 4/5/2023 at 2:01 PM, mjoeyoung said:

Could this label be any uglier? Yes, please don't give them any bad ideas.
This looks like something I made in Print Shop in 1995. This is an accurate statement.
The label is not supposed to distract from the book!  This is an accurate statement.
Who named this collection? It's named after the screen name of the guy that used to own this book who is now deceased.
Have there been any Fatass Collection jokes yet? Not yet, but I am eager to start seeing them.
Ugh,  I'm looking forward to ads for the next DC or Marvel movie on the labels next.  Again, please don't give them any bad ideas.

Responses in bold. 

[Black_Adam]

On 4/5/2023 at 10:33 AM, THE_BEYONDER said:

I noticed the "L" on the cover. Doesn't that mean this might be from the Larson pedigree?

[drbanner]

On 4/5/2023 at 2:01 PM, mjoeyoung said:

Could this label be any uglier?

It’s awful.

Edited April 5, 2023 by drbanner

[grendel013]

On 4/5/2023 at 2:01 PM, mjoeyoung said:

Could this label be any uglier?

Buyer obtains slab and immediately submits to CGC for reholder.

[Dark Knight]

Yeah i agree with you guys too that the Fantast CGC label is ugly and very unattractive. Visually it is loud and definitely takes some of your eye away from the book. If I bought one of these Fantast labeled books, I'd automatically reholder it to a regular looking label.

The design looks like an 80s Filmation He-Man introduction to me 

[DC#]

The Fantast 8.0 sold for $1.11M - which is not terribly far off from the March 2021 Comic Connect sale of $1.208M.     But it is way, way off from the $2M that Rally reported to have received in a private sale back in January of this year.  Though the article below references the prior record as Sept 2021 at $1.44M but that sale is not in GPA.    I would take an ugly label if I could save $1M.   

https://blog.gocollect.com/rallys-batman-1-sells-for-record-2-million-how-one-shareholder-voted/

 

Edited April 6, 2023 by DC#

[mjoeyoung]

On 4/5/2023 at 1:05 PM, Black_Adam said:

I noticed the "L" on the cover. Doesn't that mean this might be from the Larson pedigree?

Somebody check my math, but the Larson pedigree books have a cursive "Lamont" or "Larson" or some combo on the cover.  Some of the Davis Crippen pedigree copies can have a cursive "D" on the cover.

[DC#]

On 4/5/2023 at 6:42 PM, mjoeyoung said:

Somebody check my math, but the Larson pedigree books have a cursive "Lamont" or "Larson" or some combo on the cover.  Some of the Davis Crippen pedigree copies can have a cursive "D" on the cover.

Laverne Collection 

Edited April 6, 2023 by DC#